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Author Topic: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard  (Read 55920 times)

Demonic Spoon

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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #165 on: October 10, 2009, 04:14:51 pm »
Mmmm, so we not gonna go on with killer SOF? And the 0 speed orcs are strange, I don't remember doing that.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2009, 04:58:10 pm »
Yeah, everyone seems to be changing the raws >.>
Alright, proposals time for the Sparkgear mod, going on from the RAWs posted in the original post
SoF:
Remove flier
Set back the progress (So they wont siege in first year)

Orcs:
Set speed to 400, fast but you can still activate traps.

General:
Make adamantine a layer
Anyone else?
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #167 on: October 10, 2009, 05:38:14 pm »
Lots of new and interesting monsters I guess.

But yeah, the SOFs are a bit too much.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #168 on: October 10, 2009, 07:05:50 pm »
There was something wonderful about the surprise monsters, which I hope we'd be able to isolate and replicate for future generations. When the SoF ambush revealed itself, and blasts of fire consumed any dwarf standing outside, it was extremely awesome, and possibly the most memorable thing about my entire turn. Yet, it was also terminal, so it wasn't canon or very useful. How can we keep something not unlike the surprise of swarming SoFs without making the game unplayable?
One thing I think we should try is a no shut-in rule. There must always be a path from the edge of the map to the heart of the fortress. This ensures that players have to defend themselves competently, instead of just shutting the doors and riding through impending starvation and madness. Combined with challenging enemies, this rule could increase fun for both the players and the readers.
Another thing is more modding, with an emphasis on diverse, surprising and challenging enemies. This could be accomplished by starting the game with many enemy races and agreeing not to peek, or by allowing players to mod the RAWs and then submit them along with the saves. I'm not experienced enough with modding to know how far you can mod a race after worldgen, but it's at least far enough to allow for different stats and abilities, if not a new name and symbol.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #169 on: October 10, 2009, 08:07:52 pm »
... so... i can make the SoFs easier?

... well, it's too dangerous to go outside at all... here's a schedule/pattern i see: spring: orcs/elves, summer: SoFs, autumn: kobolds/SoFs, winter: orcs...

to hell with lowering the drawbridges.

also, due to my timezone (GMT+7, which sucks), i'm just gonna start the fort now. i'm sorry. i went out the house all day long yesterday, and then went to sleep.

EDIT: friggin hell, i missed my turn already by three hours. ;__; do i still have a chance or not?

EDIT2: ..... wtf, you guys modded alunite to be magma safe !??
« Last Edit: October 10, 2009, 09:22:22 pm by rosedrake »
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #170 on: October 10, 2009, 10:47:50 pm »
Alunite being magma-safe is part of Dig Deeper, as I recall. Somewhat based on realism? I don't know.

Man, sometime I might do a SparkGear-style fort as cats. Gotta fine-tune the mod first though. :tongue:
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #171 on: October 11, 2009, 01:25:00 am »
heh, well, damn...

anyways, my fps got killed by three squads of fire spirits, because one of them fell into the river and evaporated it... even after removing building destroyer, flying, nobleed... the lack of bolts gave me the capability of doing nothing.

the obsidian farm has a fatal flaw on it (i learnt it the hard way on my own obsidian farm a few forts back), it lacks a z level to remove the floors above.

the river is decreasing the capabilities of the magma flooder... i've no idea what the mass of bridges a few z levels upwards do... a child toppled a granite lever.

my turn's passed already, too. i guess i have to just let the next one after me use nil's save.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #172 on: October 11, 2009, 03:31:11 am »
Um, Solarn has yet to show up so you can play a bit more, I'll start modding the SOF and making a new mod for the next SG.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2009, 06:00:30 am »
We're barely half-way this one. I'll make a new mod tomorrow since I don't have school that day.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2009, 06:41:28 am »
... in the effort of making the magma flooder a success (and keeping the rivers flowing), i...

i turned invaders off.

i guess that makes me a cheater, huh... the next player can go on with nil's save. or maybe, if i'm allowed to finish this...
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2009, 07:16:35 am »
Make sure you seal up the catapult fortifications before you turn on the flooder.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #176 on: October 11, 2009, 07:24:30 am »
Path from border to heart of fortress?
Hell, even the normal orcs of DD would completely shitwreck everything...
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #177 on: October 11, 2009, 08:53:44 am »
Shitwreck? You overestimate the orcs. A squad of barely trained marksdwarves using bone equipment can severely damage a squad of DD orcs, so a combined force of well trained marksdwarves and well trained melee dwarves should be enough to handle an orc invasion, and that's without getting into mazes, magma traps, redundant sealable corridors and siege weapons.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #178 on: October 11, 2009, 09:45:45 am »
heh, whee, i flooded the world with magma, and fixed the obsidian farm.

... well, i had an accident involving the obsidian farm, you see... i thought the floodgates were just fine... but... it turns out that one of them was actually displaced, see... i let loose of some magma and killed some dwarves, but it was quickly fixed... and now i set rosey to re-engrave the floors on where it happenned...

and... flooding the world with magma part... might have to wait for a bit. it's progressing, but rather slowly... anyway, our fort's good enough to live on without trade... the farms are really productive, we have a cistern... and 60ish population... eheheh.

i had 120 FPS with temperatures off... good luck. please remove flier tag from SoFs. and building destroyer.

SAVE

i'll make a story tomorrow... i have to go sleep right now.
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Re: Sparkgear 6: I made the game too hard
« Reply #179 on: October 11, 2009, 10:23:19 am »
Quote from: rosedrake on October 10, 2009, 07:40:02 am
all i did was remove [buildingdestroyer:2] and [flying] and [nobleed] on the SoFs. my copy of sparkgear prospered.

I say the [nobleed] and [flying] tags should be removed, but I think that SoF need to be able to bust down doors.
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