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Author Topic: ARE YOU TRULY LIBERAL?  (Read 10779 times)

E. Albright

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Re: ARE YOU TRULY LIBERAL?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2009, 12:32:39 am »

I thought it was more "patriotism" than nationalism.  Basically, I took it to mean, "How fucked up can my goverment get before I move to Canada/take up arms/hide in the woods?"

Patriotism is your reasonable belief that your country just so happens to be better than all other countries, while nationalism is other people's misguided delusion that their country is somehow better than yours. Roughly speaking. At least in common usage in American English.
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2009, 12:37:01 am »

I thought it was more "patriotism" than nationalism.  Basically, I took it to mean, "How fucked up can my goverment get before I move to Canada/take up arms/hide in the woods?"

Patriotism is your reasonable belief that your country just so happens to be better than all other countries, while nationalism is other people's misguided delusion that their country is somehow better than yours. Roughly speaking. At least in common usage in American English.
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Servant Corps

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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2009, 12:46:36 am »

Patriotism is the love of your country. Nationalism is the love of your "nation"/ethinc group.

So, a patriotic person may love the United States of America (as a country). A nationalistic person however love the "American" nation that is a part of the United States of America. It is possible that a nationalistic person may in fact hate the USA for going against the "American" nation, and thus a nationalistic person may not be patriotic.
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E. Albright

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Re: ARE YOU TRULY LIBERAL?
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2009, 01:59:33 am »

The problem with these bright lines you demarcate is that the nationalist you describe would view their "nationalism" as patriotism, and would not describe themselves as hating the USA for its "betrayal" of Real True Americans, but rather hating the treacherous individuals who betrayed the Real True USA. It's miserably subjective, and in American terms, what constitutes a "nation" in your description of nationalism is often fungible based on political stances adopted at one moment or another.

This isn't really surprising, though: group identity is a messy business, so trying to make a (reasonable) distinction like "devotion to country" vs. "devotion to nation" tends to descend into ambiguity when one tries to lay out exactly what does and does not constitute one or the other. That Americans often don't bother to distinguish between the notions of country and nation doesn't help.
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Re: ARE YOU TRULY LIBERAL?
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2009, 02:57:28 am »

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
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Stormrage

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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2009, 10:31:38 am »

I totally kicked your arses mates, I am truly an Elite Liberal!!!

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03




Gandhi is a pig disgusting conservative compared to me!
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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2009, 11:59:39 am »

I am apparently just a little south of Gandhi.
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Granite26

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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2009, 12:28:14 pm »



I'm telling you, OKCupid has fewer BS questions and a better test.  No quick and easy image to steal, though.  Plus, it's got better people on it's famous people chart.

Last I checked, you didn't even have to sign up to get results.  (OK, it's a little squirrely using a dating site for this crap, but these guys are smart, and it's more of a social networking site than dating)

Christes

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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2009, 12:48:03 pm »

I used to have an OKCupid account just for the polls.

I deleted it after I kept getting dating-related emails and was annoyed.
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Rezan

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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2009, 01:15:25 pm »

@Stormrage: What you depict is not at all elite liberalism. That's more like socialism or communism. Entirely different things.
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2009, 02:06:25 pm »



The OKCupid one.
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Stormrage

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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2009, 02:47:34 pm »

@Rezan: Actually it does mean I'm an Elite Liberal because the communists are uber authoritarian...(the big bad red commie corner)
Besides, I did this as a something of a LCS Quiz, I answered as if I was the replaceable "protagonist" of the game (and I got a near perfect score).
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Re: ARE YOU TRULY LIBERAL?
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2009, 02:53:09 pm »



The OKCupid one.
CAPITALIST PIG!!

Sorry, couldn't resist for some reason.
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Granite26

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« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2009, 03:13:45 pm »

I used to have an OKCupid account just for the polls.

I deleted it after I kept getting dating-related emails and was annoyed.

Yeah, autofilter is great, isn't it?

Christes

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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2009, 03:44:34 pm »

I used to have an OKCupid account just for the polls.

I deleted it after I kept getting dating-related emails and was annoyed.

Yeah, autofilter is great, isn't it?

It is, but I couldn't be bothered.  It's funny though, when I deleted the account, one option was "I just joined for the polls and I'm not into all the dating stuff."  I guess I'm not the only one.
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