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[Duke 2.0]

I don't mind religion if it doesn't contain " convert or burn in hell heretic!!!"

Alright, so I read your first post and missed this detail. I didn't click the link because this is waaaaay too early for such things, so if I may offer a suggestion: Add that quoted phrase to the OP, because as it stands it seems your berating of the guy is getting in the way of what you are berating him of. Let people know this is not just a religious guy seeing something that according to his doctrine needs to be converted and attempt to convert it so much as a guy taking a "Convert or Die!" approach to things.

 Because without the "Or Die!" part, it's more annoying than anything offensive.

[Vester]

Except in the context of Warhammer 40k.

Honestly, Pope Benedict among other things is one of the signs that the Catholic Church needs some serious reform. I can't believe they elected him. (Actually I can, since there aren't that many progressive Bishops...)

[Rooster]

I probably am Duke. I'm just annoyed what he just did. The intolerance of certain religions is a big issue. It's sad because I don't preach atheism (or any other religion) on streets.

I don't know if I understood you fully, but I'm a guy that wishes that the church would just leave other religions alone.

[TheNewerMartianEmperor]

I'm the sort of person who has a great distrust of organized religion in general. This sort of thing only makes it worse.

[Muz]

I think I'm missing the problem. It's a religiously neutral country now. It's not like he's forcing them back into Christianity Catholicism (at least that's what I get from the news article). He's just giving a lot of long speeches. Better in a non-religious country than in an Islamic one.

What else is an important politician to do than act like he's doing his job? I'd be as indifferent as if the president of the USA went there RIGHT NOW and told them to return to capitalism.

[qwertyuiopas]

Beg mistaken assumption that I must correct: Christianity is NOT Catholic. Catholic is a subset(Though the most popular/well known one, due to the past spread), and it takes a very long time to change, so as it falls behind in the times (Pope "sidious"(Is that spelt correctly?) might have some influence, positive or negative), other variants are outpacing it. The beliefs are almost identical, but the means used to reach those beliefs vary.

[sonerohi]

The Catholic Church seems to be regressing to before Vatican II, which dissapoints me greatly.

[DJ]

IDK, qwerty, Catholicism seems more progressive to me than vast majority of <adjective modifier> <adjective> Churches in USA, especially southern USA.

Anyway, who else is joining the Czech Crusade? I've got my lance sharpened and I'm racking up a ton of sins to atone for. I can't wait to do some killing and pillaging.

[qwertyuiopas]

Oh, well, I am seeing it from a more Canadian perspective, and only having a decent experience of having seen the surface of Catholic and one church that may parents(and thus me as well) go to that defies categorization, and seems to understand how to use technology and maintain the intrest of people. So I have a bias of having seen an especially good example and a somewhat behind the times example.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Let me get this straight.

The Pope goes to visit the Czech Republic to try to encourage faith in the catholic church, and this is a bad thing for which he is ridiculed and associated with great evil.

I really dont even understand all the arguments being thrown out here against the Pope.

I guess he should stop being so "regressive" and start being more "progressive".  Maybe he should have thrown acid in the faces of 12 year old Czech girls.........(thats being sarcastic for those who cant get it).

I really really really dont understand this lashing out at a man peacefully discussing his point of view.  No where in that article was anything, in any way, connected to the motives you have been presenting.

I can only assume that this is just really a personal idealogical issue you each have and are just acting out.

[Duke 2.0]

 I was going to make a post like Gorjo MacGrymm, but as I said I didn't read the article so I assumed in there was something to show some form of religious intolerance beyond wanting to spread ones religion. While the Catholic Church does have issues, one must be sure to isolate these issues from the other things they do.
 And damn, I'm still too tired to be on a computer.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Anyway, who else is joining the Czech Crusade? I've got my lance sharpened and I'm racking up a ton of sins to atone for. I can't wait to do some killing and pillaging.

Didn't the Catholic church try that once before (in the 1420s), and it didn't work out so well?  At least I remember the Hussites surviving all the way to the Reformation.

All I know is, if they start singing "Kdoz jsu bozi bojovnici", or a guy with an eyepatch shows up, I'm leaving.



What I find particularly odd is that he (according to the Vatican's own website) apparently held mass at an airport today.  Does Brno not have a cathedral?  I know it's the Pope and all, but the Czech Republic being what it is, did he really have that many people at the mass?

And DJ, while the Catholic Church might officially be more progressive than some of the worst denominations around (I can breathe a bit easy at least being part of a denomination that doesn't push creationism and such), it's still a bit behind ones like the Church of England.


EDIT:  Also, the thread title.  Benny 16 might be a lot of things - conservative, undiplomatic, and such - but I doubt naïve is one of them.

EDIT2:  I love how I bother to put the "ï" in naïve, but none of the marks on the letters in Czech.  I'm odd like that...

[DJ]

Oh well, we can always stop and conquer Austria or something instead of going to the actual crusade destination. You know how these things work.

And Church of England is more like a social club than a religion, so it doesn't count 

[Rooster]

The problem is that catholic church is in a way forcing christianinty on them.
They never give up. They wouldn't help third world countries without making them catholic (how altruistic of them...)

The Pope thinks he's doing something important (that's what the news reporter said).
In my opinion he shouldn't come to a country just to convert it, and that's what he just did.

But maybe you're right and the situation is not so bad as one might think. The Vatican doesn't want all the worlds money, churches are not studded with gold, high ranked priests are not riding sport cars, no force is used, so everything's fine 

[DJ]

Coca Cola is an evil company because all their public activities promote Coke and not Pepsi.