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Errol

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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2009, 08:04:39 am »

The 'unprovoked' part is somewhat fishy. I think it was preceded by some representative democracy bashing. Anyway, let's bury this and move on.

Akroma, don't forget the overhang mandates. Some sciencists predict they will give the CDU the edge here, which would probably have some legitimacy problems.

I don't think too high of our current federal chancellor, she changes opinions a little fast, even though she fares well in this crisis. I don't want another great coalition, either. Black-yellow would have at least some profile of sorts.

If the Linkspartei will end up in government (which I doubt), they'll be forced to adapt their plans to reality. Remember Berlin? After the place got taken over by a red-red coalition, they had to cut even more costs than the previous conservative government, and subsequently lost half their votes in next election. But the Linkspartei as a dominant power... Nobody would even want to enter a coalition with them. See Thüringen, I think.

Good call about the coalition thing, there aren't such things in America after all... and unless a party gets more than 50% of the votes, it's essential to representative democracy.


Concerns I would have about parties:

SPD - You can't trust them not to ally with the Linkspartei.

CDU - They're conservative, which means they hold outdated views on some subjects. They also want to continue with the nuclear energy sheganians.

Grüne - I don't have any. They're stubborn tho.

FDP - That whole liberal stuff, that stuff that has brought us the crisis - this is the party advocating it, pretty much. Although they seem to have changed.

Linkspartei - Basically, all they ever want is stuff that wouldn't last five minutes in reality. They want to end any and all military actions across the globe, spend enough money on social stuff to put government debt over seventeen times it is now, basically populistic bullshit.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2009, 08:09:47 am »

Wait, so have you voted out the guys who wanted to ban video games or what? (yeah, i know its st stupid question, but that's about as deep into polatics as i like to go)
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2009, 08:28:17 am »

There's probably exactly one party in Germany NOT anti-videogame oriented (or 'killer game', here), and that one won't be able to surpass the 5% required. Not an option, alas.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2009, 08:36:48 am »

Huh, well, I'm for nuclear energy replacing coal and other fossil fuels (until we can create something reliably better), so I'd probably root for something with CDU and FDP, if the FDP have really changed their economic stance.

Also, the whole video game thing is the one reason why I still only consider moving to Germany.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2009, 12:44:53 pm »

Newer percentages appeared.

CDU/CSU: 33,5 %
SPD: 23,0 %
FDP: 14,7 %
Die Grünen: 10,4 %
Linkspartei: 12,7 %

Looks like a conservative/liberal coalition will rule the land, although barely. Depending on how it goes, this coalition might be short-lived, perhaps they'll mess up, or the Upper House/Bundesrat will have a left-wing majority at some point if the right wing screws up badly.

Also, yes, earlier numbers were somewhat... exaggerated, but all three small parties did gain quite some percentage.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2009, 01:07:55 pm »

I got up just in time to watch the speech by the SDP online on ZDF.

It's funny looking at the vote breakdown Bundesland by Bundesland.  A large part of the Linke votes are coming from Eastern Germany, I assume?  I know that's how it was in the EU elections.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2009, 03:03:22 pm »

'we have more to offer'


this would never happen in the UK, our politics suck balls.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2009, 03:04:55 pm »

Well, we don't have Proportional Representation, and thus there is no point in voting for a smaller party.  For instance, in spite of not getting a majority in votes, the Labour government nevertheless controls around 2/3rds of parliament, and barely ever loses a vote in the Commons.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2009, 03:10:12 pm »

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Assuming the party itself isn't inept.
I'm not sure if I need to comment on this or not.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2009, 05:13:39 am »

CDU/FPD coalition indeed has the majority now. I will close this topic at Friday so feel free to comment on other stuff.

Germany might have a foreign minister/vice-chancellor Guido soon.

Also, yes, Eastern Germany has the Linke as a major party, with the second largest # of votes usually, or sometimes third largest.

In my Bundesland there's either going to be a Red/red coalition or a continuation of the current red/black one. It's amazing that the SPD actually is the strongest party here, while they pretty much crashed in other Bundeslands.
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Re: Today is election day in Germany.
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2009, 05:22:16 am »

Soon to change though. Besides, I like the way our parliament operates, proportional representation is all well and good when everything is happy but when the shit hits the fan it's too indecisive and fractured and everything just falls apart. Over here however, seeing as an elected government has almost total control if it can get the House of Lords to agree, things can be done quickly. Assuming the party itself isn't inept.
I'm not so sure about it falling apart. Croatia has proportional representation, and it's been recovering from war very well.

Anyway, I'm against systems that don't include proportional representation, because they screw over minorities.
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