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Leafsnail

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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 03:44:52 pm »

Some stuff just runs forever.  Gorn/ torture porn addicts will keep it afloat indefinately.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2009, 04:59:36 pm »

Saw (oh the pun kills me) the third one only, it was ok sorta.  I don't really care to see anymore though.  The ending was excellent I must say though.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 09:45:18 pm »

*shrug*

If you could go to any old theatre and get your rocks off watching something that's not technically considered pornographic.... wouldn't you?

That's pretty much my opinion of the genre, the franchise, and people who watch it, in one nonchalant sentence.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2009, 11:54:52 pm »

It's surprising, normally I'm one of the biggest promoters of free speech around, but after seeing a few seconds of 'untraceable,' I'm seriously going in the other direction. Torture porn is possibly the most disturbing thing I've ever encountered.

Fuck.


Thankfully, I just bought five dvd's, which despite having graphic violence in several cases, are NOT FUCKING ABOUT TORTURING PEOPLE!.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2009, 02:34:09 am »

Well, I love the Saw movies.

The first three atleast.

I just love the ingenious little traps and how deadly they are - also, it has a nice plot and twist.
Possibly, I'm just very disturbed, but I just love how Ol' Jiggy trys to make people appreciate their lives.

After the third movie, it just went down south so damn fast gravity called foul.

But I still love the traps.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2009, 11:15:51 am »

Look, I can understand the basic premise...  Some dude has a couple crossed wires upstairs and starts trying to make people appreciate what they've got by taking it away.  It's an interesting concept, I'll give it that.

But the way the movie goes about presenting that concept is absolutely ridiculous.  And those traps are stupidly elaborate and resource-consuming, he'd have to spend weeks setting up just one of them in only the most basic version.  Admittedly, a serial killer would probably have the patience to do something like that, but they're still just silly.

Jigsaw turned into more of some weird evil demigod or something.  With access to any kind of material or chemical, whatever labyrinthine dungeon he wished, and whatever victims he might choose to stick into his batshit contraptions.

All while remaining unconscious!   Now, even I've got to admit that that's pretty impressive.


It's all just so silly.  It's unbelievable.  Oh, sure, it'd like to instill us with the fear that some madman is going to put us into a sadistic rat race for our lives if we don't appreciate what we've got and in general not worry and be happy.  But by the time he's researched me enough to know my patterns and my particular "sin", has located an abandoned basement or something to hold his games in, has imported the various materials necessary to construct his diabolical deathtrap, and finally assembles the damn thing (while of course covering his tracks impeccably and securing multiple escape routes for himself, all covered by equally complex traps which he of course remembers the exact location of and/or the method of getting past it unharmed), then I'll be so old that I'll save him the trouble and drop dead of natural causes.

Deep down inside all the gore, all the torture, all the poor acting, all the hilariously bad and disconnected writing, there is indeed a basic premise that's kind of intriguing.  But it's almost impossible to see that.

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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2009, 11:25:57 am »

I always figured people watched these kinds of movies because they were hilariously bad(and they're somehow completely desensitized to portrayals of intense human suffering).
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2009, 12:24:33 pm »

No, I know people who really think Saw is a great and intelligent movie.

Also, that Bad Guy Knows it All and Can't Be Stopped, But Actually has Good Intentions thing was in a few other movies, Phonebooth comes to mind.  I hate it whenever I see it.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2009, 12:39:06 pm »

I still don't get how "make people appreciate what they've got by torturing and then brutally murdering them" works.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2009, 10:30:57 pm »

'I don't want to die! Maybe I guess I shouldn't have smoked weed.'
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2009, 11:17:28 pm »

I still don't get how "make people appreciate what they've got by torturing and then brutally murdering them" works.
Isn't that what the church did to to criminals and 'witches'?

"Repent criminal, for the fire and brimstone draws near!"

"Er... Ok..."

"Too bad, time to die."
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2009, 11:18:16 pm »

Doesn't make it logical.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2009, 02:01:29 am »

It doesn't have to be logical to make sense.

I have 10 jellybeans. Half an hour later, I have 2 jellybeans left.
How did I lose the other 8?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Makes perfect sense doesn't it?
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2009, 02:14:48 am »

I still don't get how "make people appreciate what they've got by torturing and then brutally murdering them" works.

Well, he doesn't kill them. Just tortures them. At least that's what the plan is. The movie's all about how people screw things up by not adhering to the plan.


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And those traps are stupidly elaborate and resource-consuming, he'd have to spend weeks setting up just one of them in only the most basic version.

I'm pretty sure his apprentice does them. He did spend a lot of time in the first movie working on them, and the first movie didn't have such elaborate ones.

I think you have to watch the series from the start of the first one to get hooked. I started liking it after getting "the big picture" at the end of the first movie. Once you know about all the spoilers and the plot twists, there's no surprises and everything seems lame. I'd agree that it'd be better without the gorn/pr0n.
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Re: Saw VI
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2009, 02:28:42 am »

I watched the original.  Start to finish.  I didn't see anything wonderful about it, and I have no intention of seeing any of the others.  Saw annoyed me.

Oh, and no, he doesn't kill them.  Of course not.

"Okay, I've stripped all your clothes off you and placed you in a basement.  You have twenty seconds to find a way through all the barbed wire I've set up and get to the exit, otherwise I'll lock the hatch and flood the place with some deadly nerve gas that I picked up at the local Sven-Eleven."

"So here's how it works.  You have thirty seconds to perform rudimentary surgery on your significant other and then root around through all his entrails in search of an inch-long key.  Once you have the key, you'll need to shove it into a keyhole that you can't see which is located on some part of the clockwork doohicky I've attached to your head.  If you can't do this perfectly reasonable task in the perfectly reasonable timeframe, I'll split your head open, which of course won't kill you in any way.  It just makes talking very difficult."

"Yes, of course you can get out.  Just saw through your own leg, severing your tibial arteries and preventing you from moving fast enough to reach medical aid before you bleed to death.  Oh, sorry, did I say death?  I meant bunnies."


Somehow, I fail to see the "he's not killing anyone" argument.  But then again, I don't see what impact that has on anything, and I just spent fifteen minutes writing something meaningless.  I should really think these things through...
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