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[Mr.Person]

Is the only defense of your actions to call me an idiot? Well, sheesh. Excuse me for having questions about your behavior.

Your votes looked opportunistic. They happened within a short time of each other, and both were in response to suspicious behavior. It's like you were looking for an easy lynch to get behind. Leafsnail was acting legitimately suspicious. But Diakron looks scummy no matter what he does, so did you forget this about him when you voted for him, or were you counting on it?

What took you so long to answer my questions? I didn't hide them. Were you dodging them, or what?

You called me out because I was nearby. What's that supposed to mean?

They look opportunistic because I posted them soon after they were posted. Is that a crime now? Wait a minute, you say the behavior is suspicious, yet you're questioning me about questioning their suspicious behavior? Am I the only one who seems a problem with this? What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Looking scummy all the time is not a valid defense. If you do scummy behavior, you're going to get lynched for it. Either change your behavior, find somebody who's a better lynch, or convince the town your behavior wasn't all that suspicious. Better yet, do all 3 at the same time.

When you first asked the questions, I honestly thought you weren't serious. After all, you said the thing you just did was scummy, so I was fairly sure you were joking.

I called you out because I saw your post first.

[Pandarsenic]

Attacking people in response to suspicious behav-

Are you fucking serious!? You're calling that scummy!?

[JanusTwoface]

Sorry, RL is interesting at times.  In any case, I'm back for now.

Short Version
- Hope you get better Diakron, also hope you're not scum.
- A scummy chaoticjosh is unlikely to be so obvious as last time around.
- Humaan should look harder at both VT claims (I think Leafsnail had one?)
- Don't worry too much about staged fights.
- Why did Leafsnail vote to tie so close to the deadline? (nm Watcher makes sense)

Spoiler: Long version (click to show/hide)

okay guys i'm typing with one hand so this will be copy and pasted in all mafia games i'm in:

I have first degree burns over 3/4 of my left hand after getting frying oil splashed on it. i cannot type well with one hand so i wont be doing much talking in my post. i will continue to play but wanted to get this out in the open.

That sucks, at least it wasn't worst--first degree burns tend to heal pretty well.  From my more paranoid side, I hope that you're not scum, because this would be pretty good cover. (/paranoia)

Toony, why are you attacking Josh so specifically?  Sure, he hasn't said much today, but a lot of people haven't.  It seems almost like a staged fight to me...

Well, Josh was the first one the Toony Tunnel ever succeeded against, wasn't he?

I will give CJ the benefit of the doubt and believe that he is completely capable of covering his most scummy tell after it went *so* well for him the last game.  So, I don't expect that particular trick to work on him again.

...
Humaan- can we lynch josh, or is it too risky?
Also Humaan you mentioned only 2 vanilla townies: Last game there were ZERO. I think only I, the exterminator, claimed vanilla townie.

I'm pretty sure that I said this earlier.  I don't think that there are likely to be *any* Vanilla Townies in Paranormal.  I won't completely discount the possibility, but Humaan should look long and hard at the remaining VT claim.

Toony, why are you attacking Josh so specifically?  Sure, he hasn't said much today, but a lot of people haven't.  It seems almost like a staged fight to me...

Somebody is using bullshit logic! I'm not going to accept your stupid comments like this and your WIFOM (Have you ever actually seen a staged fight on the B12 mafia boards? EVER? Sure, we could start now, but somebody always brings up staged fight and it's always wrong.) In case you haven't noticed, ToonyMan always goes after one person and pushes them hard until they either crack or he's convinced they're scum. You can't vote someone for what they always do, ToonyMan's behavior is a null tell. Unvote and vote Leafsnail.

I'm often one of the people watching for staged fights and you're correct.  I've never seen one on Bay12 (yet). Of course, that means that I'm going to have to try to pull one off in the future.

(please ignore the OMGUSing part of this)

Unvote. vote Leafsnail.

Not buying that huh? no reasoning so facts no nothing just a vote and a bunch of words...

unvote this was only to prove a point, i will vote again soon but for now I want to ask why you think i am scum. (to make it clear that i want to here your reason.)

Gah! Please don't do this. I'm working on parsing through the votes automatically and things like this don't help at all. Also, it really doesn't help the town.  Also, long post for burnt hand... (/paranoia again)

Leafsnail is The Watcher/Exterminator.

Yellow is so very hard to read...

FYI, I'm town in every mafia game I'm in right now.

... Right. I'm just going to ignore this. Actually, I'm going to point it out, so everyone that actually goes so far as to read this will ignore this.

Humaan, I have a couple questions/suggestions for you:
- Is there at least 1 Medium in the game?  If there's not, we have to have some sort of contingency plan.
- You/we should figure out some way of coordinating investigative roles to maximize our information gathering.

Please feel free to ignore me if you think I'm wrong... You know far more about the situation than I do.

Kashyyk and eduren: Humaan called you out as potentially being scummy.  Why do you think that is and do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Not game related: Thanks chaoticjosh, you are scary observant at times.

[Eduren]

Kashyyk and eduren: Humaan called you out as potentially being scummy.  Why do you think that is and do you have any evidence to the contrary?

I think that may be because my role is ambiguous and because I haven't been contributing much.


I agree that the Watcher should be left alone for now.

What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Hey guys, somebody is accusing another of being scum! What has our dear game come to?

[JoshuaFH]

Not game related: Thanks chaoticjosh, you are scary observant at times.

You're welcome? I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here.

[Jim Groovester]

They look opportunistic because I posted them soon after they were posted. Is that a crime now? Wait a minute, you say the behavior is suspicious, yet you're questioning me about questioning their suspicious behavior? Am I the only one who seems a problem with this? What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Don't act so surprised. People might interpret it as an overreaction.

When you first asked the questions, I honestly thought you weren't serious. After all, you said the thing you just did was scummy, so I was fairly sure you were joking.

What, so you decided not to answer them? You didn't even give me a snide remark about how idiotic they were? No dismissive rebuttal at all? You didn't even bother clarifying with me whether I was joking or not?

Right. So Mr. Person, high and mighty on his throne of inscrutable townsship, completely ignored a query directed at him, because such a query he considered laughable, a joke, a jest.

Whether I was wrong before to suspect you, I am now wrong no longer. You knowingly ignored a question posed to you, and that's suspicious enough on its own.

Thanks, Mr. Person, for letting me know that you're scum.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
Diakron: forsaken1111
Leafsnail: Leafsnail, Mr.Person, webadict
Mr.Person: Jim Groovester
chaoticjosh: NUKE9.13, Pandarsenic, ToonyMan
forsaken1111: Diakron


Reminder: Day 2 ends Monday ~10am Pacific

[Mr.Person]

They look opportunistic because I posted them soon after they were posted. Is that a crime now? Wait a minute, you say the behavior is suspicious, yet you're questioning me about questioning their suspicious behavior? Am I the only one who seems a problem with this? What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Don't act so surprised. People might interpret it as an overreaction.

When you first asked the questions, I honestly thought you weren't serious. After all, you said the thing you just did was scummy, so I was fairly sure you were joking.

What, so you decided not to answer them? You didn't even give me a snide remark about how idiotic they were? No dismissive rebuttal at all? You didn't even bother clarifying with me whether I was joking or not?

Right. So Mr. Person, high and mighty on his throne of inscrutable townsship, completely ignored a query directed at him, because such a query he considered laughable, a joke, a jest.

Whether I was wrong before to suspect you, I am now wrong no longer. You knowingly ignored a question posed to you, and that's suspicious enough on its own.

Thanks, Mr. Person, for letting me know that you're scum.

It probably didn't help that I forgot about the question in all the talk, but yes, I did forget to answer said question. When you asked again, I answered truthfully. What's supicious about that.

What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Hey guys, somebody is accusing another of being scum! What has our dear game come to?

FUCK, I said I wouldn't do that anymore. Basically, Jim's arguement is that I could be scum, thus I must be scum. I must be missing something, because there's a gigantic leap of logic there.

Based on what he's said now, I guess you could add me not answering a very stupid question that I forgot about, which is utter crap since I then answered it when he called me on it.

FAKEDIT: Thanks Meph, unvote. Lynching the watcher would be bad.

[Eduren]

What exactly are you accusing me of, possibly being scum?

Hey guys, somebody is accusing another of being scum! What has our dear game come to?

FUCK, I said I wouldn't do that anymore. Basically, Jim's arguement is that I could be scum, thus I must be scum. I must be missing something, because there's a gigantic leap of logic there.

I get what you meant now.

What is this question you two are going on about?

[Jim Groovester]

What is this question you two are going on about?

I was questioning Mr. Person about his voting behavior during the beginning of Day 2. I might've gotten a better answer out of him if I hadn't accused him of being scum first, and I might've been a little more tactful about it, so that's a bad move on my part.

I wanted him to explain the reasoning behind his votes, because I found them as opportunistic attempts to hide behind safe lynches, or to start bandwagons on these safe lynches.

Mr. Person disagrees, saying he was questioning Diakron's and Leafsnail's suspicious behavior with his votes.

Cue argument between the two of us. Shall I paraphrase that, too? It happened in the last few pages; it shouldn't be hard to find.

It probably didn't help that I forgot about the question in all the talk, but yes, I did forget to answer said question. When you asked again, I answered truthfully. What's supicious about that.

Maybe if you had said that instead of being an ass about it, I would've been more inclined to believe you.

But you neglected to mention that little detail. Instead, you said you ignored my question because you thought I was joking.

Joking? Maybe during the random voting stage. After the beginning of Day 2? Not likely. So why you used that as an excuse to explain why you didn't answer my questions is beyond me.

[Mr.Person]

What is this question you two are going on about?

I was questioning Mr. Person about his voting behavior during the beginning of Day 2. I might've gotten a better answer out of him if I hadn't accused him of being scum first, and I might've been a little more tactful about it, so that's a bad move on my part.

I wanted him to explain the reasoning behind his votes, because I found them as opportunistic attempts to hide behind safe lynches, or to start bandwagons on these safe lynches.

Mr. Person disagrees, saying he was questioning Diakron's and Leafsnail's suspicious behavior with his votes.

Cue argument between the two of us. Shall I paraphrase that, too? It happened in the last few pages; it shouldn't be hard to find.

It probably didn't help that I forgot about the question in all the talk, but yes, I did forget to answer said question. When you asked again, I answered truthfully. What's supicious about that.

Maybe if you had said that instead of being an ass about it, I would've been more inclined to believe you.

But you neglected to mention that little detail. Instead, you said you ignored my question because you thought I was joking.

Joking? Maybe during the random voting stage. After the beginning of Day 2? Not likely. So why you used that as an excuse to explain why you didn't answer my questions is beyond me.

Because it's true. I looked at your question, thought you were joking, and then totally forgot about it. I wanted to answer truthfully, so I did.

Seriously, your question is that stupid. It really does boils down to "You asked suspicious people questions, did you want them lynched?" to which I'm going to reply "I wanted to gather more info from them". I would say that if I was town or scum, so it's a null tell. Generally speaking, questions that ask about motive are pointless since you can always just say "No, I was just trying to do (town-like thing), not (scummy thing), I promise!"

[Pandarsenic]

Jim Groovestar, you are asking why we're attacking suspicious people. Do you realize this?

[Kashyyk]

I'm back.

And I'm surprised we are still on day 2...

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
Diakron: forsaken1111
Leafsnail: Leafsnail, webadict
Mr.Person: Jim Groovester
chaoticjosh: NUKE9.13, Pandarsenic, ToonyMan
forsaken1111: Diakron


You have half an hour to vote or change your vote before the day ends.

[JoshuaFH]

Day Extension

Vote Leafsnail

God, I'd rather today result in a tie than get killed. Nuke, Toon, Pandar, where are you?