To Vector:
No, you moron. I admit that I want to get along with people more than I want to win. If I were "buddying" as scum, then I would be trying to win. I want to win, certainly... but more than that, I want to be helpful.
I don't buy it. If you weren't playing to win, you'd be posting in GD or the DF-related subforums instead. You're buddying. You're scum. CRUCIFY!
I've never played DF, actually. I came here to play Mafia. It's a structured setting in which I can hopefully learn some social skills, because mine suck.
And even if you really are town, the very fact that you have admitted to not be playing to win means your behavior is by definition anti-town. You're still the best lynch at this point.
I'm not playing strictly to win. I am playing to win. Take it as my having an "alternate win condition," if you like. It wasn't sent to me in my role PM, but it's there.
Doesn't work. Your hypothetical involved me taking the place of ExKirby. Your argument now is that you'd help a beginner in any case other than the one that leads to your death. I'm not a beginner.
If you were acting like ExKirby, then you would be.
No, if I were acting like ExKirby, people would be questioning my behavior and voting me, not giving me advice. Check my behavior in Vote Mafia 3 - D2 I was all about the martyrdom, and nobody gave me an inch. And they were right not to. I have transitioned from "Beginner" status.
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I questioned ExKirby and voted him. I also gave him advice. This is not an entirely binary situation.
You think I wouldn't do the same thing for you? ExKirby has more experience than you do, as you said. If you are not a beginner, then he probably shouldn't be declared one, either... and yet I tried to help him, because it's the kinder thing to do.
Arguments don't work if you can't figure out how to transmit your information in such a way that your reader can understand. My consistent story is that I am a townie who is having trouble giving you explanations. I see no inconsistencies there.
It doesn't explain your behavior N1. It doesn't explain your behavior RE ToonyMan. It doesn't explain why you were passive until I called you out on it. It doesn't explain why you're unrepentant about buddying. It doesn't explain why you mis-quoted your role PM. Shall i continue?
1. Yeah. I'm a person who wants to learn how to get along with people.
2. First off, I wasn't lying in BM1. I'm actually a pretty passive person, until my temper gets the best of me.
- RL issues, which are not exactly your business.
3. Even if he's scum, I appreciate someone--anyone--sticking up for me.
- He said nothing suspicious, so I didn't attack him D1. I was busy with ExKirby.
4. I do not have to play the game by your standards alone, Free Beer. I will not apologize for trying to be helpful.
5. Why aren't you getting angry at Leafsnail for trying to help ExKirby?
6. I didn't quote my role PM verbatim because I would be mod-killed. Further, I'm a townie with no special powers whatsoever.
When I am making mathematical arguments, I must only convince myself and I have convinced every mathematician. When I am making social arguments, like these, the same is not the case. I must analyze the other players of this game to give them convincing argumentation.
This only works because mathematical arguments follow specific rules. Said rules, if followed when coming up with social arguments, will also have the same success.
Have you ever tried that? It's false. You can't treat people like variables with a couple of well-defined properties. They get upset, and you end up being generally wrong. The set of their attributes is non-compact, in a way. They are open and unbounded, a forest of variation.
I would give you examples of it not working, but I don't think you'd believe me.
So Mafia trumps Amity when you're town, and Amity trumps Mafia when you're scum. It all makes perfect sense!
You conveniently ignored this part. Probably because it's right.
I conveniently ignored that part. It's false, and it was right in front of an injunction to crucify me. You conveniently ignored the part where I said there was something seriously wrong with you. Here's a hint: follow the damned social cues. This is a game, and there is such a thing as being too aggressive.
Mafia trumps amity sometimes. Amity trumps Mafia sometimes. It has more to do with mood than alignment.
I have also been altruistic as town, in BM3. I have been hyperaggressive as scum in Toon Mafia II, D1.
Further, you cannot build a trend out of one data point. That is nonsensical and incorrect. Just because I acted one way as town does not mean that, when I am acting in the diametrically opposed behavior, I am scum. Your imagined functions are single-valued. I am multivariable.
I haven't anti-FOS'd you. I said that you didn't look like scum to me at the moment. You look like some sort of asshole trying to intimidate my stubbornness out my ears, so I'll lie down and allow myself to be lynched. My dislike of you does not mean you cannot be town. It just means that I don't really want to play games with you if you're going to act like this.
Further, I haven't admitted to buddying. Buddying is a strategy used by scum when they are trying to lure the town into a false sense of security. My altruism is non-strategic.
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