My point remains. Vector though ExKirby was scum. Vector helped ExKirby. What the heck was Vector thinking?
Vector was thinking ExKirby was a beginner, and also a human. Vector considers the value "human" more important than the value "potential scum." Vector has a rule of functionality which implies that Vector should help humans.
If you can't understand what I'm saying, please let me know.
IF we had some random player Y in ExKirby's position but myself in Org's, I would not tell Y to switch his vote. This is because I am town, and as such do not feel like committing suicide.
My entire hypothetical situation is constructed around my being town--which is an incontrovertible fact. I keep trying to say this. It has very little to do with Org.
That isn't what you said. You said if I were in ExKirby's place and you were in Org's place (thereby implying you took on Org's alignment as well), you would not tell me I could save myself, because you knew you (in Org's place) were town. I present the following to back up my case:
If you were in ExKirby's place and I were in Org's, I wouldn't have told you to switch your vote to me. That is because I am town, and I would rather have somebody unconfirmed (to me) die than myself (a known townie in my little world).
The statement which I underlined indicates that in your hypothetical you had stepped into Org's position completely. If you were simply talking about having the a vote tie, you would not have written the underlined statement. Furthermore, talking about your own alignment in this hypothetical makes no sense: it only has a point within your whole argument if it explains why Org was not going to do anything, thus allowing motivatation your own action.
Huh? No. I meant "In my perspective, I am town. Others may declare me non-town, but given my data-set [a PM from the mod saying that I am, in fact, town] I am town."
I didn't mean to imply that I was taking on Org's alignment. I meant "me, in the vote-tie situation." It is important that I am town there, as well as town in all the other situations. What I am saying is that I would encourage him to vote a potential-townie, but not a confirmed townie. In my mind, I am a confirmed townie. I know I am not a confirmed townie to the rest of you. Hence, I said "CT in my mind" rather than "CT," because I am not a CT in the standard sense.
If I'd stepped into Org's position completely, wouldn't the answer be "Do nothing, because I'm Org?" It's clear that I didn't make a full transition.
So then convince me you aren't scum. All you'd really need is a consistent explanation for your behavior that takes into account everything I've mentioned. But really, I think that's impossible too. You'd be right to be frustrated, because I've caught you in your own lies and I am not going to let you escape easily.
Consistent explanation... consistent explanation... how about "VT who communicates badly." Oh, wait. Haha. You think that's a lie. You won't believe me. IT'S THE TRUTH, YOU MORON. I'M NOT SCUM HIDING BEHIND LIES AND EXCUSES, I AM TOWN WHO HAPPENS TO FOLLOW A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS THAN YOU DO. PLEASE STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE. Perhaps you may think the story is too outlandish, that I am in fact Ye Standarde Humann who is just a moron-scum and speaks like a fool and makes a thousand slips. I am trying to tell you the truth, and you are not believing me. I am not trying to make excuses, I am trying to tell you the situation. I am not saying "Don't lynch me because I have teh communication problems and am like someone you need to feel sorry for."
No! I am trying to tell you "That situation is not the one you should be staring at. Your scumbucket is in another castle, please listen to me, you are wrong, you are going to lose yourself the game because you won't look at a pattern that has stretched all over the place, since you cannot see past a person who makes mistakes to a larger design. I understand your suspicions and understand why you would want to lynch me, but I am not the right one. There are lurkers, there are fools, there are others who are being suspicious who I cannot see, and you should look for them because you are distracting yourself with a person who cannot tell things the way you need to be told them."
If you want to lynch me, then you can, but don't say I didn't try to convince you otherwise. I'm trying my hardest.
3. Thanks, Toony.
If you were town, you'd recognize this as Toony attempting to buddy up to you. You'd remember I already have the two of you associated, and that, by defending you from me instead of defending himself from Leafsnail, he's only associating himself with you further. You'd be suspicious, not receptive. Your response only serves to incriminate both of you even more.
If I were HUMAN, then I'd take someone who is DEFENDING ME as an ACT OF KINDNESS. This is not about scum vs. town. This is about not being able to tell you things correctly.
Maybe he is just playing for game theory. If so, then I feel bad. I got hoodwinked again! What calamity. Vector is stupid. Too bad... already knew that.
If he is not, then I am profoundly grateful that someone would actually listen past the haze of words and see someone struggling.
Sometimes I cannot just play a game as a game. The outside world intrudes. I apologize.