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Author Topic: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail  (Read 4933 times)

Zantan

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Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« on: September 23, 2009, 05:58:41 pm »

One of my dwarves just made artifact steel chain mail, and I was wondering whether I should make one of my dwarves wear it over the high quality steel plate which I will be making now that I have a legendary armorsmith.  The wiki says that the quality modifier of artifact items is unclear, so I'm not sure what to do.  Does anyone feel that they may know?
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 06:03:56 pm »

One of my dwarves just made artifact steel chain mail, and I was wondering whether I should make one of my dwarves wear it over the high quality steel plate which I will be making now that I have a legendary armorsmith.  The wiki says that the quality modifier of artifact items is unclear, so I'm not sure what to do.  Does anyone feel that they may know?
While I don't know the exact comparative value between mastercraft and artifact, I know it's better in someway from personal experience.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 06:10:43 pm »

If I recall, armour stacks. So you could have the dwarf wear BOTH. Just drop him down to.. like his shirt. Then up him to the chainmail, wait for him to put it on, and then up him to the platemail.

BAM, dwarven seige engine.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 06:11:08 pm »

Don't forget the steel cap in the leather armor level.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 06:13:15 pm »

Dwarves can wear both chain and plate armor.  I believe that plate has to go on top.

Thus, try to get your favorite champion to wear the artifact chain mail with masterwork plate over it.  Also, give your smith the best of everything!
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 06:18:51 pm »

I was not aware that dwarves can layer like that.  This was done historically, but still seems a bit cheap here, as I assumed that plate mail included any chain that was necessary...is this considered a bug?
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 06:25:07 pm »

Nope.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 06:58:01 pm »

Its considered a feature!

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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 06:58:50 pm »

I was not aware that dwarves can layer like that.  This was done historically, but still seems a bit cheap here, as I assumed that plate mail included any chain that was necessary...is this considered a bug?

Considering that piercing weapons will still wreck your face seven different ways in a single shot, stacking artifact/masterwork armor doesn't seem so exploit-y.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 07:00:08 pm »

Dwarves should all be wearing plate AND chain. Together.

Congrats on the useful artifact and skill, though. Better than an artifact tower-cap blowgun, which menaces with spikes of tower-cap, with no other decorations.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 09:30:19 pm »

I believe dwarves will naturally try to layer their armor wit armor from one level below what they're assigned, so a dwarf assigned plate will try to wear chain underneath. But don't quote me on that.

But yes, layer the artifact chain under the masterwork plate and watch goblin arrows, spears, swords, and every other weapon they bring ping harmlessly off. Just make sure the rest of him is just as well covered, masterwork adamantine plate is useless if you don't bother to cover your head.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 10:33:46 pm »

I believe dwarves will naturally try to layer their armor wit armor from one level below what they're assigned, so a dwarf assigned plate will try to wear chain underneath. But don't quote me on that.

But yes, layer the artifact chain under the masterwork plate and watch goblin arrows, spears, swords, and every other weapon they bring ping harmlessly off. Just make sure the rest of him is just as well covered, masterwork adamantine plate is useless if you don't bother to cover your head.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 11:00:55 pm »

Would be fun to make adamantine clothing too, and layer with that.

Adamantine clothes, Leather, Chain and Plate all at once. With an adamantine cloak over it.

Think anything can hurt a dwarf wearing all that?
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 11:22:40 pm »

Would be fun to make adamantine clothing too, and layer with that.

Adamantine clothes, Leather, Chain and Plate all at once. With an adamantine cloak over it.

Think anything can hurt a dwarf wearing all that?

The adamantine clothes will wear out within two or three years.
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Re: Artifact steel chain mail vs high quality steel plate mail
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 02:57:19 am »

'sides, you can't layer leather under plate, or have leather under chain under plate.
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