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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2009, 04:34:27 am »
Except for the major headaches dwarven ships will likely cause Toady. As it is only wagons exist as a multi tile vehicle and even then they only work due to their simplicity. Ships on the other hand...
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2009, 04:35:25 am »
Quote from: thatguyyaknow on September 22, 2009, 04:34:27 am
Except for the major headaches dwarven ships will likely cause Toady. As it is only wagons exist as a multi tile vehicle and even then they only work due to their simplicity. Ships on the other hand...

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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2009, 05:01:26 am »
Or if oil is a liquid, you can have your dwarves spread it like water, and when you have a river of oil (or oil-covered surface) you can light it with magma / new in-game mechanics akin to adventurer torches.
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2009, 08:11:16 am »
Is there actually "fuel" in the game now?
I didn't know that.

I've actually never played with magma, or used it for anything.
I've only used wood at a furnace to make ash.
Ash is a fuel correct?
I think oil could be a fuel too.
The problem I see is, how would dwarfs contain the pressure when they struck oil?
Wouldn't it just geyser/fill up the entire fortress?
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2009, 08:43:18 am »
Charcoal is the fuel, ash is for turning to lye for soap, potash for the farms or to make pearlash from, for glass.

Having a fort lost because everyone drowned in oil would be Fun.
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What kind of statues are your masons making, that you think they have "maximum exposure"?
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2009, 08:50:09 am »
Quote from: Outcast Orange on September 22, 2009, 08:11:16 am
Is there actually "fuel" in the game now?
I didn't know that.

I've actually never played with magma, or used it for anything.
I've only used wood at a furnace to make ash.
Ash is a fuel correct?
I think oil could be a fuel too.
The problem I see is, how would dwarfs contain the pressure when they struck oil?
Wouldn't it just geyser/fill up the entire fortress?


Ash would be a reagent (i.e., an ingredient in some reaction), not a fuel. Coal is fuel, and we've mentioned magma as fuel because magma-powered workshops do not need any coal to function (but coal is still needed when used as a reagent - see the reaction for steel).

Logically, there's nothing stopping oil from being either reagent or fuel (except for programming limitation), and it sounds like a nifty idea, whether mined or harvested from plants/animals.

I'm not sure about the pressure. Considering how pressure works atm, it wouldn't geyser... unless you breached it below its highest level, in which case it'd flow until the height was homogeneous (assuming it'd work like water and not magma). But liquid pressure is probably in need of some tweaking (if not an outright reimplementation), so by the time something like this is possible, if ever, who knows how it'll work.
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2009, 08:57:41 am »
Quote from: XSI on September 22, 2009, 08:43:18 am
Charcoal is the fuel, ash is for turning to lye for soap, potash for the farms or to make pearlash from, for glass.

Having a fort lost because everyone drowned in oil would be Fun.

Charcoal! I meant charcoal! Please forgive me!
I'm a little clumsy today.
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2009, 09:09:14 am »
That's ok, everyone makes mistakes.

I wonder how hard it would be to mod in oil, may work a bit like ice, melting when magma is near. Only except for melting only near magma, it should be set to be liquid(Molten?) at normal temperature.

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Quote from: decius on September 04, 2009, 03:11:20 pm
What kind of statues are your masons making, that you think they have "maximum exposure"?
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2009, 09:58:59 am »
Quote from: chaoticjosh on September 21, 2009, 09:31:53 pm
I'm not sure if oil was used in the time period that Toady wants this fantasy setting to replicate...

Petroleum has been used by humans since the days of Babylon, according to Wikipedia. Though mostly unrefined; distillation is comparatively recent, but still dates back at least to the 9th century. Interesting stuff. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_petroleum
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2009, 09:05:57 pm »
Yeah, one of the standard tests for new materials was "Will it burn?"

If "Will it burn?" = yes then humans played with it a lot.
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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2009, 11:16:43 am »
Quote from: forsaken1111 on September 22, 2009, 09:05:57 pm
Yeah, one of the standard tests for new materials was "Will it burn?"

If "Will it burn?" = yes then humans played with it a lot.

Adam:  Will it burn?
Eve:  OW!
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2009, 02:20:52 pm »
Does that mean they got booted from the Garden of Eden not for eating from the Tree, but rather for torching the place?
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2009, 03:55:33 pm »
Quote from: DeathOfRats on September 23, 2009, 02:20:52 pm
Does that mean they got booted from the Garden of Eden not for eating from the Tree, but rather for torching the place?

They ate from the tree of knowledge.

Then they cut it down, built a house from the wood, and started cranking out stone mugs.
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2009, 04:24:33 pm »
"Are underground things going to become more advanced? Like, will I find oil, salt, tar, methane pockets, carbon dioxide pockets, other underground dwelling things (not strictly cave river or chasm things, like moles, antmen, or giant earthworms), natural caves (like limestone caves), sinkholes, stalactites/stalagmites, or things like that?"

This would be wicked!
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Re: Geez, I should come around here more often
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2009, 05:41:29 am »
Quote from: forsaken1111 on September 22, 2009, 09:05:57 pm
Yeah, one of the standard tests for new materials was "Will it burn?"

If "Will it burn?" = yes then humans played with it a lot.
well... don't kill me but i just thought of something you wouldn't want to burn... something played with... a lot.  :P
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