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[Eschar]

Well, you know what they say. You can't transport a trophy without breaking a few eggs.

[Egan_BW]

Really though, how can we trust a definition of life created by a single biased species confined to a single tiny rock floating in a massive cosmos.

And you never really did anything to confront my implicit claim that unliving organic matter is still essentially the same thing as living organic matter.

[hector13]

They are the dominant species on that tiny rock, which consists of around 100% of all known life.

[Frumple]

I mean, y'all's eggs don't scream and try to escape when you eat them, begging for mercy the whole time in multiple languages? #Lrn2cook

[Egan_BW]

They are the dominant species on that tiny rock, which consists of around 100% of all known life.

Dominant by our definition of domination, life by our definition of life, known as in known to us.

[Frumple]

Pretty sure the actual dominant is something else, anyway. We're certainly neither the most populous nor most resilient species on the planet, seem to recall that laurel belongs to bacteria of one sort of another. Macrocentric bias is a hell of a drug. Cure the addiction with screaming omelets.

[methylatedspirit]

Dominant by our definition of domination, life by our definition of life, known as in known to us.

Okay, now you're just arguing over semantics. Things mean the things that they do because we say so, and to be able to have a coherent discussion, we must agree on a set of meanings.

And you never really did anything to confront my implicit claim that unliving organic matter is still essentially the same thing as living organic matter.

I'm not too well-versed on this, but the thing about life is that life sorta emerges as a result of its structure. Life may be made of the same things as non-life, but structure and order is how any of it works. There needs to be these long-ass chains of proteins, lipids, and other stuff. It needs to have order to be able to even begin being life.

If I blended a snail, would it be alive? No, the structure of the snail has changed so much that it can no longer undergo its life processes. It may now have the same exact components of a living snail, but that mess of blended snail ain't living. The structure, the order that allows life to emerge is now gone. All I'm left with is a mass of blended snail.

It's all about emergent phenomena. Complex things can emerge from very simple rules, but for it to even emerge, it must have some organization first. If it is taken away, the emergent phenomena disappears. You smash a CPU into a thousand pieces, do you think it'll still open Chrome if you put it back into its socket?


At least, that's how I think it goes. I'm not a philosopher, nor a scientist. It's all a mess of different facts from entirely different domains mashed together into... this.

[scriver]

Really though, how can we trust a definition of life created by a single biased species confined to a single tiny rock floating in a massive cosmos.

And you never really did anything to confront my implicit claim that unliving organic matter is still essentially the same thing as living organic matter.

How do we know life in the rest of the universe even wants to be defined as life rather than something else

[LordBaal]

We shoot it in the face. If it stop moving then it was life.

[Magistrum]

I don't know if what I hit was the car's "face", but it certainly isn't moving anymore.

[MrRoboto75]

We shoot it in the face. If it stop moving then it was life.

Where is egg's face

[hector13]

We shoot it in the face. If it stop moving then it was life.

Where is egg's face

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What kind of weird faceless eggs do you get?

[Dunamisdeos]

I mean, y'all's eggs don't scream and try to escape when you eat them, begging for mercy the whole time in multiple languages? #Lrn2cook

I teach mine ancient Sumerian for a maximum chance of summoning Ovumus Maximus, the Primal God of Eggs and the template from which all yolk was forged.

[Naturegirl1999]

Gosh I love this thread, egg gods, discussions of life, viruses, fixing water heaters, all smoothly switching topics. It’s great to read.

I mean, y'all's eggs don't scream and try to escape when you eat them, begging for mercy the whole time in multiple languages? #Lrn2cook

I teach mine ancient Sumerian for a maximum chance of summoning Ovumus Maximus, the Primal God of Eggs and the template from which all yolk was forged.

Do you teach your faced eggs or the chicks that hatch from them?

[MrRoboto75]

I mean, y'all's eggs don't scream and try to escape when you eat them, begging for mercy the whole time in multiple languages? #Lrn2cook

I teach mine ancient Sumerian for a maximum chance of summoning Ovumus Maximus, the Primal God of Eggs and the template from which all yolk was forged.

Which came first, the egg god or the chicken god?