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Author Topic: [MILK] There were 12 eggs here what did you do with them? (Happy thread?!)  (Read 16184156 times)

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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173685 on: July 19, 2016, 08:57:23 am »

It isn't the norm
No, being gay or trans is not the most common. But being a native american isn't either, and in fact is even more rare (about 2% of the US). But you should be able to see why saying that "being native american isn't the norm" is a real asshole-ish thing to say and might get you into trouble with some people.

There are many variations in people. To label anything (that isn't harmful) as "not normal" is extremely dehumanizing.
How? I reiterate: every human being is in some way deviant from the norm. Whether you are homogeneous or heterogeneous in regard to a physical or mental characteristic, personal taste, ethical perspective, &c. is associated with personhood, in the sense that it is part of what makes you the person you are. I'm struggling to see how "I am different from other people" equates to "I am not a person" in any sane worldview. A world where nobody deviated from any norm would be fucking horrifying.

I know it wasn't directed at me, but that's part of why I think all these linguistic games and identity politics are divisive bullshit. People are people, and if you need to distinguish some trait about them, use simple descriptors. It's immensely frustrating to live in a time where we really need to come together and pull to stop our species from sliding into the pit of extinction, but everyone seems to be caught up in all this petty hatred, devoting themselves to tearing others down and deifying themselves. We've had so many fucking centuries to reach the realization that our superficial differences are just that, but so many people still judge others and define themselves primarily based on those characteristics.
That premise is the real bullshit.  I've tried it, and I've spent most of my life surrounded by people that think they live by it.

It hasn't stopped people from treating me like shit, even though I've tried for decades to assimilate.  People still notice the shape of my eyes nose and body, the texture of my hair, the color of my skin, the inflection of my voice, my dialect, and the movement of my body.  In case it wasn't obvious, "just being me" doesn't help either. 

To make things worse, ignoring the identities of others makes it more difficult to empathize and communicate with them.

Without mutual acceptance of peoples' differences, there can be no means to peaceful coexistence.  What you want is impossible.

You kinda missed the point. I'm not arguing that differences should be eroded, I'm arguing that they should be treated as what they are (unique identifying characteristics, personality traits, &c.) rather than automatic determinations of someone's worth or position in society.

Frankly, and I'm sorry if this comes off a bit harsh, but I don't really want to have anything to do with people who deliberately wallow in a shitty, pessimistic, fragmented worldview, telling anyone trying to move towards a less hateful future that they should just stop because it's impossible and not worth it anyways. Our history as a species has been, largely, one of overcoming and setting aside the fucked up things we do and think. I'm certain that at every step of the way there were people who said that things were just fine as they were, and others who insisted that improvement was impossible. Neither of those groups have ever been right, and neither ever will be.

I don't count myself as an optimist, incidentally. But I still think that our collective ability to stop doing stupid shit (even if only by waiting until everyone who doesn't dies of old age) trumps our ability to cling to it.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173686 on: July 19, 2016, 09:30:49 am »

Really, anything is possible. For instance, Bioshock Infinity could hold the secrets to the universe, though I wouldn't hold out on that.
The secrets, I mean.
Not that the universe is very secretive.
I think it's unpredictable enough that it doesn't matter who finds out the secrets.
Which I guess can be applied to life, too.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173687 on: July 19, 2016, 09:51:23 am »

It isn't the norm
No, being gay or trans is not the most common. But being a native american isn't either, and in fact is even more rare (about 2% of the US). But you should be able to see why saying that "being native american isn't the norm" is a real asshole-ish thing to say and might get you into trouble with some people.

There are many variations in people. To label anything (that isn't harmful) as "not normal" is extremely dehumanizing.
How? I reiterate: every human being is in some way deviant from the norm. Whether you are homogeneous or heterogeneous in regard to a physical or mental characteristic, personal taste, ethical perspective, &c. is associated with personhood, in the sense that it is part of what makes you the person you are. I'm struggling to see how "I am different from other people" equates to "I am not a person" in any sane worldview. A world where nobody deviated from any norm would be fucking horrifying.
My point is that you can't define a "norm" for natural variations. I'm talking purely about the language and definitions we use, nothing more.

When you're lumped into a big old "other" category it can feel pretty bad. I'm no good at explaining it and this is already severely off topic, so look up "othering" if you want to know more.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173688 on: July 19, 2016, 09:56:49 am »

No one object is the same as any other object. Without acknowledging difference, the world is meaningless and uninterpretable.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173689 on: July 19, 2016, 10:09:50 am »

No one object is the same as any other object. Without acknowledging difference, the world is meaningless and uninterpretable.
And acknowledging infinite differences would somehow make it less meaningless or interpretable?

Ahem: Face it, humans exist on a bell-curve, made up of other, smaller bells. Just by being here we're already on the far edge of a single bell, so we're all less normal than normal people.
But the simple fact of statistics is that a fair and large amount of our population is made up of people with a given value of normal. At least normal on 70% of their bells.

Facts cannot be argued with, however their interpretation can be.
I.E. The difference between 'common' and 'normal'. It's so much nicer to say that gay or trans people are rare, rather than abnormal.

On the original argument, however, there's probably an equation somewhere for just how large a cut of pie should be before it's shuffled out of the 'misc' category.
I guess L, G, B and T are all too big to be 'other', but too small to be singular. so they get their own special misc and can lord it over the demisexuals.


Edit: Just realised I said basically the exact same thing as FD. That'll teach me not to get page-context.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173690 on: July 19, 2016, 11:33:44 am »

I would hold that there is a pretty significant difference I'm how people use the phrases "not normal" contra "not the norm".
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173691 on: July 19, 2016, 11:39:01 am »

It feels good to know that somebody probably has a crush on me as I do on her :)
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173692 on: July 19, 2016, 11:45:46 am »

It feels good to know that somebody probably has a crush on me as I do on her :)
Yay!!!
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173693 on: July 19, 2016, 11:47:54 am »

It isn't the norm
No, being gay or trans is not the most common. But being a native american isn't either, and in fact is even more rare (about 2% of the US). But you should be able to see why saying that "being native american isn't the norm" is a real asshole-ish thing to say and might get you into trouble with some people.

There are many variations in people. To label anything (that isn't harmful) as "not normal" is extremely dehumanizing.

Sure. To simply label them as "not normal" is insulting, but when it comes down to practicalities, no one is going to, for example, change infrastructure for a Native American. Much more likely to do it for a higher percentage of the population, such as the disabled.

Although, I don't like how disabled access has spoiled the look of some buildings that I know. Not that I wouldn't have it done, though.
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173694 on: July 19, 2016, 12:17:45 pm »

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I'm back!~
I have had a pretty great summer thus far, meeting new people from all around, doing new things and all that stuff~ :v
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173695 on: July 19, 2016, 12:36:42 pm »

I'm back!~
I have had a pretty great summer thus far, meeting new people from all around, doing new things and all that stuff~ :v
Yay!  Welcome back!
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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173696 on: July 19, 2016, 01:56:39 pm »

I'm back!~
I have had a pretty great summer thus far, meeting new people from all around, doing new things and all that stuff~ :v

I would give you cake to celebrate, but the cake is a lie....

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Re: [bunbunbun] UPRPR club hop and flop station (Happy thread)
« Reply #173698 on: July 19, 2016, 04:12:06 pm »

The streetlights look oddly... starry, so it might just have been shot with a very narrow aperture and possibly some filter.
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« Reply #173699 on: July 19, 2016, 05:55:17 pm »

Holy carp, Cardboard Computer finally released episode 4 of Kentucky Route Zero!

Time to go for a trip.
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