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[Putnam]

pit's not bad

unless meta knight is involved, then everyone is bad

wait are we talkin bout brawl?

yeah, unlike melee meta-knight's dominance is clear at basically every level of play; his special moves are incredible, his only move that doesn't go right through every move in the game (his neutral B, mach tornado) is his one move where that would be a bad thing, his up-B is a kill move with no endlag, he has the best recovery in the game by far, his up air can combo into itself in a game with very few true combos (diddy kong is one of the best characters in the game because he has a ludicrously difficult infinite with bananas), his down air sends enemies at a hilariously low angle and fairly far and can be used multiple times (since he can recover from anywhere on screen), his down smash is a kill move at very low percentages for a move that's faster than every single one of ike's moves, his down-B can make him invincible infinitely, his side-B is like fox's recovery but better and...

that's on stages that aren't banned

pretty much every banned stage in brawl is banned because meta-knight is too good on them

[Aklyon]

...So why did they not just ban meta knight then? Sounds like it'd be easier.

[Putnam]

That's a very complicated subject.

Basically: the game is a stalling snoozefest without Meta-Knight. With Meta-Knight, they can mitigate his stalling. Meta-Knight is the best staller in the game; he can camp the ledge, grabbing and regrabbing forever. Nobody can approach that because Meta-Knight has a better airgame than everyone else in the game combined. So they banned ledgestalling like that; if you grab the ledge more than 50 times (or something like that) in a game, you forfeit the game. Basically, they banned Meta-Knight's most egregious tactics like that and the infinite dimensional cape.

The second best character in the game is Ice Climbers. They have easy grab infinites from anywhere to anywhere with a guaranteed kill at the end. Meta-Knight's movement and attack frames are good enough to overcome that in spades. Pikachu is the only character who can hope to be equal with Meta-Knight. Pikachu is not as  good against the best characters who are not Meta-Knight, though. Overall, it's probably best to play Meta-Knight.

...or switch to Smash 4 where Sheik may be the undisputed best but at least she isn't completely and utterly broken and dominant

heck, even Melee's got pretty good representation, you still see Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff and Pikachu and Marth and Samus and Sheik and, heck, sometimes even Ganondorf and Luigi.

[Spehss _]

Project M best Smash.

[Rolan7]

I'm home and almost drunk!  Getting there.
Not for long though, busy busy tomorrow, then more busy saturday.  Ingress to the nines (with parent).  But, now that I'm back home and relaxed, thinking about asking them to stay another day.  It hasn't been so bad, and there's so much I'd like to show them.

...or switch to Smash 4 where Sheik may be the undisputed best but at least she he isn't completely and utterly broken and dominant

Fixed that to match my preferred fanon.

Fighting games are fun, I like to play them with my brother (most recently, SSBB!), but I'm completely stupefied at the moderately advanced techniques.  I just can't see the character animations well enough to learn them, at full speed.  When I got Street Fighter IV I was frustrated because even the training mode has no slowdown.  I feel like I could learn the moves at a lower speed, then recognize them at full speed...  Like I did in DDR.

I guess there's a mode for that in Brawl, so I could train on that.  Brawl seems like a good game.  On the other hand, playing coop and mashing buttons against bots is fun too.

Actually I guess we played the latest Mortal Kombat a little bit, but technically more recently.  It was beautiful graphically, but the move list was arcane and I couldn't do even the simplest ones with the xbox controller.  I wasn't even sure what I was *trying* to do with the stick, and I kept hitting diagonals as I tried to go from up to right or whatever.  Well, it SAYS right, but it actually means "towards".  Or "away", I don't remember.

I wish fighting games were easier to learn.  I think Soul Calibur did a decent job with that actually, moves seemed relatively slow and the campaign forced the player to learn specific techniques and counters.  I've heard that super cheesecakey game had really good training too...  Skull Girls, I had to look it up.

Anyway yeah I want to show them all the things.  I hate them but I love them more I guess.  Really not sure if it's possible to love something without hating it to some extent.
And hating can feel sooooo good.

[Tawa]

Step one: play sonic.
Step two: spam b.
at this point, everyone is probably quite frustrated, so claim victory.

hah
good one
have i recently explained to you the concept of IKE, BI-ATCH

I see another person here is a fan of the Radiant Hero. Still my 4 main and my go-to guy in Brawl when I'm not in a Snake mood.

I would like to, as an aside, thank Sakurai for introducing me to Fire Emblem, EarthBound, and Metal Gear.

[Calidovi]

So, how about that female Link?

[Rolan7]

Wait, what...
Ooookay I guess this is good!  This is good.  Thanks Nintendo.
Much more pretty and soft than most of the STAGGERINGLY large amount of rule64 Link already out there...
fuck, those matchstick arms
But still, pretty cool I guess.  In theory.
I LOVE that they're trying.

[quinnr]

My life this week is so effing fantastic! I'm leaving next week to present research at an academic conference, which has been like my baby the past Summer and this semester. I got a job interview and internship interview offer both at places that I realllllly want to get experience in (a courthouse and law practice), after not hearing back from any of my previous resume submissions and losing hope in the whole searching for a job thing. I also quit probably the most toxic organization I was in, which I was sad about but it was also really freeing once I realized that I don't really care if a few people hate my guts for leaving. I don't know guys, life is just going so well for me this week.

Project M best Smash.

I went to a friend's house to play the other week. I was like "Smash is fun, let's play." Then he and the other guy who was there were like "Project M!" and pulled it up and were way, way, way more competitive than I intended. On top of that, my buttons were not doing what my buttons were supposed to be doing. And why does everyone hate the items so much they are literally the most fun thing in the game. Oh well, I suppose I get like that with Mario Kart. The new Mario Kart was literally invented for babies, it needs a Project M.

[Sirus]

So, how about that female Link?

This is the first I heard of it. New Zelda game I take it?

[Calidovi]

So, how about that female Link?

This is the first I heard of it. New Zelda game I take it?

Hyrule Warriors.

The design is cute if a bit lacking in original concept. I mean, I would have appreciated a different hat, at least.
However, the lack of distinct clothing probably means she's a one-time thing.

[Aklyon]

why does everyone hate the items so much they are literally the most fun thing in the game. Oh well, I suppose I get like that with Mario Kart. The new Mario Kart was literally invented for babies, it needs a Project M.

Because they're too busy being 'competitive' and 'ice climbers make sense' and stuff. Items best thing.

[Putnam]

>implying that ice climbers aren't ridiculous with items in project M

seriously you can wavedash to grab items in project M, ice climbers are intense

[Sirus]

So, how about that female Link?

This is the first I heard of it. New Zelda game I take it?

Hyrule Warriors.

The design is cute if a bit lacking in original concept. I mean, I would have appreciated a different hat, at least.
However, the lack of distinct clothing probably means she's a one-time thing.

Do you have an official image? I'm worried that I'll just find porn if I look for "female Link" >.>

[Putnam]

linkle is the name

yeah, friggin linkle