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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well, retroviral injection is probably a little bit different from what Descan had in mind.

[10ebbor10]

Well, retroviral injection is probably a little bit different from what Descan had in mind.

Descan didn't want to do anything involving telomeres. He was going for the man-in-a-can approach.

[Graknorke]

True. It's more of a philosophical point at any rate. My goal-method is a gradual change of neurons or semi-large brain structures to an artificial analog, while the patient is awake (nano-particles that wrap the neuron, destroy it, and replace it? Connecting the new piece to the brain before excising the old piece?), to best combat the idea that "I am not the same person I was when I came in," because they'd have no "memory loss" associated with unconsciousnesses, or being asleep.

After the brain has been replaced in this way, moving the brain, upgrading it with additional structures or neurons, or adding a radio-transceiver to allow avatars of other bodies should be much easier. Comparatively.

Remember when we had a big argument about this about the continuity thing? I remember that. I still think I was right.
Still, I see no reason to have just an artificial brain, since there's a lot of human bodyparts that would give out first. You'd be better off replacing some other things like livers or hearts or maybe even individual mitochondria.

[Sirus]

I kinda like Descan's idea of gradual brain replacement. Something done over time where the artificial components slowly replace organic ones while maintaining the same functions sounds better than some abrupt mind-transfer technique, and opens fewer cans of worms philosophically as it is essentially what your body already does anyway.

[Descan]

True. It's more of a philosophical point at any rate. My goal-method is a gradual change of neurons or semi-large brain structures to an artificial analog, while the patient is awake (nano-particles that wrap the neuron, destroy it, and replace it? Connecting the new piece to the brain before excising the old piece?), to best combat the idea that "I am not the same person I was when I came in," because they'd have no "memory loss" associated with unconsciousnesses, or being asleep.

After the brain has been replaced in this way, moving the brain, upgrading it with additional structures or neurons, or adding a radio-transceiver to allow avatars of other bodies should be much easier. Comparatively.

Remember when we had a big argument about this about the continuity thing? I remember that. I still think I was right.
Still, I see no reason to have just an artificial brain, since there's a lot of human bodyparts that would give out first. You'd be better off replacing some other things like livers or hearts or maybe even individual mitochondria.

When did I say anything about "just an artificial brain"?

In fact, I said quite the opposite when I said "a durable brain in a hard, sturdy shell interacting with the world through [replaceable] avatars".

@Telomeres: Just because my end-goal is man-in-a-can, doesn't mean that telomere shortening isn't an issue in the short-run. Millions if not billions of people will die from aging related illnesses that anti-aging could fix between now and when we have a viable, long-term "consciousness storage" method. I just, personally, want to work on the long-term solution, both because that's my main goal and because I don't see others focusing on a continuity-retaining method, instead aiming for a "one-shot brain upload and then squishy-brain destruction" method, which sounds incredibly dangerous to me.

@Sirus: Danke herr Trucker~

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bought a bottle of milk from my building's vending machine. Saw it didn't expire until late November, and sure enough, it is marked ultrapasteurized. That may not seem like much to you Euroforumites, but I've been waiting for American milk producers to start using this for a while now.

[Dutchling]

Well pasteurized is better than that other thing that makes it taste like arse.

[Graknorke]

True. It's more of a philosophical point at any rate. My goal-method is a gradual change of neurons or semi-large brain structures to an artificial analog, while the patient is awake (nano-particles that wrap the neuron, destroy it, and replace it? Connecting the new piece to the brain before excising the old piece?), to best combat the idea that "I am not the same person I was when I came in," because they'd have no "memory loss" associated with unconsciousnesses, or being asleep.

After the brain has been replaced in this way, moving the brain, upgrading it with additional structures or neurons, or adding a radio-transceiver to allow avatars of other bodies should be much easier. Comparatively.

Remember when we had a big argument about this about the continuity thing? I remember that. I still think I was right.
Still, I see no reason to have just an artificial brain, since there's a lot of human bodyparts that would give out first. You'd be better off replacing some other things like livers or hearts or maybe even individual mitochondria.

When did I say anything about "just an artificial brain"?

In fact, I said quite the opposite when I said "a durable brain in a hard, sturdy shell interacting with the world through [replaceable] avatars".

Well, making a neurone analogue is probably significantly harder than replacing some other, shorter-lasting bodyparts.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well pasteurized is better than that other thing that makes it taste like arse.

Other thing?

[Descan]

@Grak: See my edit.

[Dutchling]

Well pasteurized is better than that other thing that makes it taste like arse.

Other thing?

Sterilised milk. Urgh, that shit should be illegal.

(at least, that's how it called here, for all I care one could be a variant of the other, but there definitely is a taste difference)

[Furtuka]

Managed to snag the last Gundam Cherudim Designer Edition kit they had in stock~

[LordSlowpoke]

people have vending machines for milk installed in their apartment buildings

milk, of all things. milk. i've seen vending machines which sold umbrellas in an area where there was rain for 40 days a year tops but not even in the most urban of places nobody had that sort of idea yet

* LordSlowpoke notes "gross undersaturation of vending machine market" in the "shit to blow invest excess dosh in" notebook

[Xantalos]

Immortality, you say? I support this.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well pasteurized is better than that other thing that makes it taste like arse.

Other thing?

Sterilised milk. Urgh, that shit should be illegal.

But pasteurization is sterilization. (And ultrapasteurization even more so than that.)

people have vending machines for milk installed in their apartment buildings

It's a college dorm, not a normal apartment buildings, and it doesn't just sell milk. It sells all sorts of refrigerated goods, pre-made sandwiches, microwavable things, ect.

* LordSlowpoke notes "gross undersaturation of vending machine market" in the "shit to blow invest excess dosh in" notebook

Whatever you do, don't try it in Japan. They're the vending kings.

Immortality, you say? I support this.

You don't count, you're not even traditionally alive unless the stars are right.