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[JoshuaFH]

Hmm... I enjoyed the crazy story, and I honestly didn't think Squall was a Gary Stu at all.  He was insensitive on the outside, sensitive on the inside, and generally just kind of immature.  The timing... yeah, that's true, but you can get high crit rates with other characters, and I've had him miss pleeeeenty of times.

I would sort of hope that the main character, who ended up being the military commander of an academy, would have the best stat growths--because it definitely wasn't his personality =/

And yeah, I kind of like that theory, too.

Perhaps I should rescind what I said about Squall being a Gary Stu, in that he didn't act like one, but was treated like one. He has no presence, speaking ability, or leadership ability, but is thrust into the role of leader at every opportunity. He is as immature as a child, with an inexcusable lack of social skills and the tendency to throw tantrums, and yet is the subject of the game's most prominent romance. After disc one, all other characters miraculously lose their depth as Squall steals the spotlight and never lets it go. I just feel the game suffered for it, is all, it's still a great game

Plus, there were several loose-ends that were simply never tied up. The biggest being Empress Ultimecia's existence, since the game never really mentions her until the very end, and we simply never learn who she is or why she's so very crazy. I also like the fan theory that she's actually Rinoa, who having obtained the power of a witch, gained immortality and pro-retroactively time paradoxes the events of the story into place when she goes insane a 1000 years into the future.

I can understand enjoying the bizarre story though, it's something that keeps you entertained even if it doesn't make sense. The particular style the game, the mixture of pixelated characters and hand-drawn backgrounds, lended itself well to telling the story as it became more grandiose and outrageous with time.

Eyes on Me is an awesome song as well.

[scriver]

Finally, finally, FINALLY got Oblivion IV for the PC. Had it for 360 and played the f out of it but with the PC version...

Soooo much better.

...Oblivion IV? [RAEG mode initiated]

 

[Tellemurius]

I think he meant the comparison from console and PC.



Moving out of my house on Wednesday, good bye soon family.

[Bauglir]

I'll have to admit that the political plot wasn't really for me, though.  I usually like the plot to be more character-development-etc.-centric, and there were really no memorable side characters at all... oh, well.  It's not like XIII was reputed to be much better =/

Interesting! It was that plotline that really did it for me, actually. I loved the plot in that game whenever Vaan wasn't involved. I actually think I liked it better than 6 (very slightly), which had been my favorite until then. It was some of the NPCs that I found most interesting, oddly.

Spoiler: Spoiler tags for actual spoilers? Madness! (click to show/hide)

Vayne actually seemed like a plausible megalomaniacal world-conquerer dude, which is a bit rare for these games. As often as not it's a generic Super Evil Guy (Kefka, Sephiroth, etc, who are all interesting in their own way, but whose madness just seems like a cookie-cutter addition or is literally the entire definition of the character). Cid was interesting if only because he seemed to subvert the stereotype he initially comes off as (Crazy Mad Scientist Who Cares Only For His Experiments, but he turns out to be sane and to actually have a drive behind the work he does that actually fits the setting). And I still don't know whether Venat was evil or not. EITHER it was manipulating Vayne into conquering the world for it so that it could possess him and rule, or else it actually thought it was helping humanity and thought Vayne was for the best. And Gabranth might have been a walking trope, but he was done well given that premise. Also, I admit I'm a sucker for the "The Gods are actually tyrannical dictators!" plot twist, and have not yet gotten tired of it. That probably contributed somewhat.

Either that or it was the fact that it was basically Star Wars in Ivalice. Anyway, hopefully this doesn't stop being the Final Fantasy thread before I hit post.

EDIT: Goddamn it. Why did I have to type that last sentence. I swear every time I do that I utter Unquestionable Prophecy.

[Vector]

Well, actually, I did like Vayne and Cid, and I thought Balthier's story was kind of awesome.  Somehow, though, I thought everything could have been fleshed out so much more... sidequests for more backstory, and stuff like that.

*sigh*

I miss the symbolic character designs of FFVIII and Vivi.

[Bauglir]

Well, actually, I did like Vayne and Cid, and I thought Balthier's story was kind of awesome.  Somehow, though, I thought everything could have been fleshed out so much more... sidequests for more backstory, and stuff like that.

*sigh*

I miss the symbolic character designs of FFVIII and Vivi.

Gods, this. The Hunt Board or whatever it was called was a poor substitute for proper world-building side-quests. That's my major beef with the game, which was that you had the main plot and then you had a bunch of quests where you go murder something (or several somethings) with little to no context. AND THE TRADING QUESTS WITH THE MARKET PLACE. Whyyyyyyy do you want 8 Burning Wolf Hearts or whatever. They have like a 2% drop rate even once I've got a huge chain going, and fetch quests are bad enough with a 100% drop rate.

Also, I can agree with you on the character designs. And even more also, Vivi was awesome.

[Tellemurius]

Enough with the jrpgs please or I will sit here and just talk about how dnd is SO much better graphically and entertaining.

[ToonyMan]

Everywhere I look Umineko Umineko Umineko umineko umineko umineko no naku koro niiiii

[Tellemurius]

Everywhere I look Umineko Umineko Umineko umineko umineko umineko no naku koro niiiii

I think your otaku brain can't handle it anymore bro

[Ochita]

Hm.. Oblivion time goo.

And no Janet. Its Vanilla.

[Gunner-Chan]

Vanilla oblivion has no lolis and no super buff sexy lizards though. :<

[KaelGotDwarves]

I swear to Buddha all of you people talking on these Final Fntasies and whatever better have played motherfucking Chrono Trigger.

[Vector]

Yeah, I think that was what I really felt was lacking.  For a game, FFXII was excellent.  For what I expected from a Final Fantasy Entry, I felt all the special things the FF series typically brought in to bulk up the storytelling and plot were missing.  Symbolism, bizarre characters, heartbreak, humor, explored backstories, weird shipping, world-destruction, free flying, useless items, little trips into various people's mental structures, and all of that was what I really liked.

Enough with the jrpgs please or I will sit here and just talk about how dnd is SO much better graphically and entertaining.

Okay.

Polite requests are a lot more effective if they don't have "threats" tacked alongside.  Also, I am not especially fond of D&D, so you will have to be extraordinarily convincing.

I swear to Buddha all of you people talking on these Final Fntasies and whatever better have played motherfucking Chrono Trigger.

Yup!  Didn't finish it, but I played through almost the entire thing.  It was great, and I loved Toriyama's character designs.

[ToonyMan]

Well yeah Chrono Trigger's art was done by the Dragon Ball mangaka.

[Ochita]

I swear to Buddha all of you people talking on these Final Fntasies and whatever better have played motherfucking Chrono Trigger.

Chrono trigger? Isn't that the shooting game?

I have played it.

And Janet: I know. Its like all the loli's were.. Destroyed in my oblivion.