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Author Topic: [MILK] There were 12 eggs here what did you do with them? (Happy thread?!)  (Read 16291795 times)

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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129195 on: May 16, 2014, 04:32:56 am »

New Paranatural update made me crack up despite it taking the piss on the recent drama. :D
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« Reply #129196 on: May 16, 2014, 05:19:47 am »

Cat is lying on/next to me, snoring. So cute.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129197 on: May 16, 2014, 07:08:08 am »

I asked a girl out. And she said yes and it's all pretty damn great. If only she wasn't out of town for the weekend, I get the feeling that this weekend is gonna feel really damn long.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129198 on: May 16, 2014, 07:21:05 am »

No more flying, I'm through customs, and I'm only going to need to be awake for around 8 hours more--33 total--to avoid jetlag. Yaaaaaawn.
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« Reply #129199 on: May 16, 2014, 07:23:58 am »

I asked a girl out. And she said yes and it's all pretty damn great. If only she wasn't out of town for the weekend, I get the feeling that this weekend is gonna feel really damn long.

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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129200 on: May 16, 2014, 08:14:30 am »

I compulsively reload when I play Wesnoth.  Any time a bad event with a probability of less than 5% or so (15 or 20 if both the attack and defense go improbably wrong) occurs I just reload.

I did it so much I transcended the game, looking beyond turn by turn tactics.  I saw how each improbable event propagates across the timeline, altering the state of the game in more and more dramatic ways the longer things go.

And I noticed that the whole argument about luck being just something you have to manage is bullshit.  It's bigger than that.  A single 2% failure means a unit doesn't level up.  Next turn he dies, leaving a hole that allows the orcs to reach your mages, causing more deaths. 

And you think "well if I'm banking the game on one roll, no matter the odds, I've made mistakes" but you're wrong because this event is the product of every roll you made in the previous turns.  You have a modicum of choice but ultimately the RNG is the only agent with any real power in this system.  The RNG is the player, you just move the pieces.

I feel vindicated.  I'm gonna go play Banner Saga or Fire Emblem instead. 

I just don't like the random element.  Ultimately the positives are unaffected, a perfectly executed plan is the same amount of fun whether it had dice or not, but you add in a small chance of getting fucked.  It's like if Dwarf Fortress had a 1% chance every time you built something of having it collapse and kill the dorf making it.

Except you people would probably like that.

tl;dr:  In Wesnoth the RNG is god and choice is an illusion.  Random elements in tactics games add no fun but introduce a small chance of extreme un-fun.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129201 on: May 16, 2014, 08:15:56 am »

/tg/ claims the RNG in Wesnoth is coded in a way that makes it biased.
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« Reply #129202 on: May 16, 2014, 08:18:10 am »

People say that about every game with dice in it.  I don't believe that, but it still sucks.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129203 on: May 16, 2014, 08:30:24 am »

/tg/ claims the RNG in Wesnoth is coded in a way that makes it biased.

Biased towards what I wonder?

Anyway, you probably go too far in your assessment of RNG being too important. After all, you totally crushed me when we played, and I did not get particularly unlucky.

But yeah. Sometimes it can be bullshit. At least dwarfs and elves.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129204 on: May 16, 2014, 09:32:40 am »

Yeah, I'm exaggerating, but the act that I'm mad enough to exaggerate is a good example of the kind of unfun you get from a dice system.  The real way to win in singleplayer is to gather up a squad of level 3s and just use overwhelming strength to absorb bad luck.  Find the high ground, park your units there and ride out the initial glut of troops the enemy gets from his free starter gold.  Once they're dead the recruitment slows to a trickle and it's just cleanup.  Repeat next scenario.

I'll still play it, it's pretty fun.  My biggest issue will always be how relentlessly generic the stories are.  You're a young commander.  Orcs/Undead.  Someone rides to summon "the council" whoever the fuck that is.

Spoiler alert, he tells you to go kill the bad guy.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 09:35:56 am by Cthulhu »
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« Reply #129205 on: May 16, 2014, 10:05:00 am »

you're complaining about the rng being unfair?

go ahead, i'll just watch as mongol cavalry wipes the floor with my mech inf in civ as gandhi nukes my capital city

fucking mongols
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129206 on: May 16, 2014, 10:16:01 am »

I like Wesnoth.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129207 on: May 16, 2014, 11:03:25 am »

I like Wesnoth.

We should have a B12 game sometime.
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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129208 on: May 16, 2014, 11:05:06 am »

Cthulu, have you ever played X-Com?

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Re: [Pan-Pa-Ka-Pan~] Atago's soft "fuel tanks"~ (Happy thread?!)
« Reply #129209 on: May 16, 2014, 11:07:13 am »

Playing Cthulhu Saves the World.
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