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[Dakk]

Demons WILL destroy drawbridges and drawbridges will be destroyed if you try to atom-smash them. I'm pretty darn sure of it.

Also, HFS-proof room in which you can release your guard demons on:

.........
.+++.
.+D+.
.+++.
.........

. = moat/channel

+ = floor tile

D = demon

Now you just need a bridge and a lever to release them, I think this will keep them alive for adventurer mode, while caged stuff will be dead.

[Grendus]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Tentacle demons aren't too scary, just focus on using piercing weapons to kill them. As for using them as an anti-siege device... might drive off a siege, but you're jumping out of the frying pan and covering yourself with hot coals while someone pumps the bellows into the oven my friend. Gobbos are pathetic. One demon can cut down an entire fortress if you aren't prepared.

[darkflagrance]

Demons WILL destroy drawbridges and drawbridges will be destroyed if you try to atom-smash them. I'm pretty darn sure of it.

Also, HFS-proof room in which you can release your guard demons on:

.........
.+++.
.+D+.
.+++.
.........

. = moat/channel

+ = floor tile

D = demon

Now you just need a bridge and a lever to release them, I think this will keep them alive for adventurer mode, while caged stuff will be dead.

I've actually had caged monsters escape and reside as hidden ambushers within the fort post abandon. I once trapped a named giant cave spider in a cage before I abandoned. Later, when I reclaimed it, I was working on clearing out the legendary dining room when I got the message that the named spider had trapped my metalsmith in the magma forges.

[kefkakrazy]

Set the naughty clowns to kill the squishies? Awesome.

(is thinking of that awesome thread where the word "clowns" was used to describe all HFS, which was easily the most epic method of censorship ever.)

[tigrex]

Dakk:  So far, the demons seem not to be smashing my drawbridges.  I would try slamming one down on them, except that it would invalidate my experiment.

Grendus:  It isn't that I need an army of tentacle demons to cover the land and devour goblins, wildlife, merchants and immigrants alike.  It's just that I want an army of tentacle demons to cover the land and devour goblins, wildlife, merchants and immigrants alike.

Incidentally, I have trapped a bunch of orcs (Dig Deeper...) in a section that the demons have access to.  So far, the reaction has been somewhat ... underwhelming.  The two forces give no indication of noticing each other... I still can't even see the blasted demons.  I'll give it some time, maybe they need a couple of seasons to get to know each other.  But frankly I'm not holding my breath. 

[joquarky]

Do drawbridges block fireballs?  If so, you could use them to toggle the visibility of your enclosed demons so that they can be lowered during a siege and raised when the siege is over (to protect your dwarfs from fireballs).

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BBBBBBB
B.....B
B.+++.B   . = moat/channel
B.+D+.B   + = floor tile
B.+++.B   D = demon
B.....B   B = drawbridge
BBBBBBB

I'm still new to DF so I don't know if this will work or not.

[chinkeeyong]

The demons will probably destroy the drawbridges or burn them down.

[tigrex]

At this stage, I can confirm that demons will not smash raised drawbridges, even when doing so would allow them to path to tasty dwarves.

Since the sieging orcs left (except for those trapped in my test corridor), I'm going to wait until more merchants show up and see if I can lure the demons out of hiding with them.

[Truean]

I have tried this. Savescum.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

HFS was breached with a tunnel with two possible paths. One was an "escape hatch;" this was quickly walled off leaving the demons only the other path. This path led to my planned trap for potential invaders.

I encountered 2 main problems:

1.) The demons were hostile to me, which made reusing the trap impossible. Once they were released on the invaders, I could not "reset" the trap and make it a usable part of my base agian. Pandora can't close the box once opened (rather she can but the demons won't go back in...).

2.) They did not directly attack the invaders. A couple of goblins did die, but I think this was because the demons were destroying doors and anything else they could. It does not seem that the demons will attack goblins. At least, I did not observe this behavior. It stands to reason, because the game coding does not have hostile creatures fighting one another per se.

However, you can use Dwarf Companion to change a cat into a demon. You can then use the program to make it a war animal. *shrugs* This does work and will make it tame/war animal with all the demon attributes. This assumes you have no problems with modding/utility use.

[Grendus]

I have tried this. Savescum.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

HFS was breached with a tunnel with two possible paths. One was an "escape hatch;" this was quickly walled off leaving the demons only the other path. This path led to my planned trap for potential invaders.

I encountered 2 main problems:

1.) The demons were hostile to me, which made reusing the trap impossible. Once they were released on the invaders, I could not "reset" the trap and make it a usable part of my base agian. Pandora can't close the box once opened (rather she can but the demons won't go back in...).

2.) They did not directly attack the invaders. A couple of goblins did die, but I think this was because the demons were destroying doors and anything else they could. It does not seem that the demons will attack goblins. At least, I did not observe this behavior. It stands to reason, because the game coding does not have hostile creatures fighting one another per se.

However, you can use Dwarf Companion to change a cat into a demon. You can then use the program to make it a war animal. *shrugs* This does work and will make it tame/war animal with all the demon attributes. This assumes you have no problems with modding/utility use.

It has been observed that hostile civs and megabeasts will sometimes fight, Gobbos have swarmed dragons before, etc. However, it seems like... uhh... clowns are treated differently.

Good luck taking down your army of tentacle... clowns.

[Truean]

I have tried this. Savescum.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

HFS was breached with a tunnel with two possible paths. One was an "escape hatch;" this was quickly walled off leaving the demons only the other path. This path led to my planned trap for potential invaders.

I encountered 2 main problems:

1.) The demons were hostile to me, which made reusing the trap impossible. Once they were released on the invaders, I could not "reset" the trap and make it a usable part of my base agian. Pandora can't close the box once opened (rather she can but the demons won't go back in...).

2.) They did not directly attack the invaders. A couple of goblins did die, but I think this was because the demons were destroying doors and anything else they could. It does not seem that the demons will attack goblins. At least, I did not observe this behavior. It stands to reason, because the game coding does not have hostile creatures fighting one another per se.

However, you can use Dwarf Companion to change a cat into a demon. You can then use the program to make it a war animal. *shrugs* This does work and will make it tame/war animal with all the demon attributes. This assumes you have no problems with modding/utility use.

It has been observed that hostile civs and megabeasts will sometimes fight, Gobbos have swarmed dragons before, etc. However, it seems like... uhh... clowns are treated differently.

Good luck taking down your army of tentacle... clowns.

"Per se" means by definition. I'm not saying game enemies can't fight one another. I'm saying they don't always. I don't think "clowns" as you put it, will exhibit this behavior.

[Hamster Man]

rofl... "clowns". Yes, I believe this should be made the official way we refer to HFS from now on.

RELEASE THE CLOWNS!!

[Meanmelter]

try to use cave-in tactics on destroying deamons,i managed to obliterate deamons by making wooden floor fall over them,and using some ranged units to finish any that stand up.

[Arrkhal]

I just saw a tentacle demon slaughter a dwarf child, then immediately attack a nearby goblin (who put up less of a fight than the child).  It then resumed chasing dwarves, even though there were some other nearby gobbos, so it may be that they consider goblins to be secondary targets.  What would happen if they couldn't path to any dwarves, I don't know.