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[ToonyMan]

@Josh

Considering you know Toony, what about him is exactly NOT Toony-town?

Note I don't say 'Normal town'.  We all know Toony-town doesn't act like how we want him to act.  We don't have time to hunt folks we don't like.  What makes him SCUM rather than his normal self?

Furthermore, is Toony your only target?  Any idea on who the other two are?

I wouldn't say I KNOW Toon, as I've really only played a handful of games with him, but if I had to say it, it'd be because scum toon reacts badly to tension. Not pressure, but tension. By that I mean the more 'serious' the day is, he gradually gets quieter and contributes less, opting to go with safer bets.

Where's the question?   

[JoshuaFH]

Once again Toon, I know it's your style, but do you care to explain your choices to us?

More importantly, I have a stray feeling that you just want to follow WA around unquestionably. Stick as close to the confirmed townie as you can and be seen as town yourself perhaps?

[ToonyMan]

Once again Toon, I know it's your style, but do you care to explain your choices to us?

More importantly, I have a stray feeling that you just want to follow WA around unquestionably. Stick as close to the confirmed townie as you can and be seen as town yourself perhaps?

Alright, I answered the Webadict thing a hour ago or so.

Sir Josh - For thinking Dakarian is town and for degrading my honor!  I will be most certain with you soon.  Not now though.  Sooon...
Dakarian - I posted some stuff about the previous page.
Cheeetar - Unfortunately, Webadict sees different so I'm not sure about Cheeetar anymore.  I did say he was Town a long while ago, funny that.  So I'll replace him with Diakron for this post and what Webadict said.

[dakarian]

YAY!  Debate points.

 You forgot a few people.  The total list =

ToonyMan
chaoticjosh
Zaithemaster
Diakron
Mr.Person
Cheeetar
dakarian
Frelock
Boksi

Thus you forgot Cheeetar (though you believe he's town), Frelock, and Zaith

Now, to dakarian. You simply have a terrible role that won't help us even IF you're town. Which you're likely not. Which is almost what you said to Alexhans. But you didn't vote him. You just told him he was being scummy and that he should stop. Not buying it... You were also very against the chaoticjosh lynch Day 1. I wonder why? You seem very buddy-buddy with Mephansteras. So does Diakron. You're also very against your own lynch, even with a terrible role. You seem very cautious when you vote people. You ask a lot of questions Day 1. A lot of stupid questions. And you're generally suspicious. Or is this not enough for you? Would you think it's better to keep you alive with that role?

1. Yes I'm a horrible role.  It's a reason why I'm not THAT much in pain of dying. 

2. Not vote for Alex?  I was one of the FIRST!  I started the bandwagon!  I voted for him when I accused him.  When I stopped voting, I stopped accusing. 

3. I wasn't against the reset.  I wanted confirmation first.  Someone had it, there was no reason to rush without getting it.  So I asked for it.  It was a simple thing to ask. 

4. buddy buddy with Meph?  How so, beyond him being under my radar?

5. I don't need to act suicidal just because my role is so horrible.  If you accuse me, I'll ask for a reason.  You could just end it by saying "I just think you're scum". 

6. Day 1 is half full of random vote and awkward questions.  Note that you weren't exactly acting sane early on either.



Look, if you want me to stop fighting you then fine.  If you're dead set to kill me then so be it.  Stop asking questions and leave me be.  If you ask more or accuse more, I'll answer you.  As it is, I'll die at the end of the day.  It's distracting me from my work.

[dakarian]

Ok, on to more important matters.

Boksi needs to answer my questions/accusations badly.

Daikron seems wrong to me now.

But I can't find the final person. 

[Frelock]

So what happened that caused Dak to jump from neutral, to your most suspicious person? Especially since you said that you're inclined to believe he's town.

Well, it was mostly based on the arguments of my most trusted townies.  Considering that the top 3 people whom I'm near-certain are town are going against him, their arguments hold more sway.  Yes, it's partially bandwagoning, but I consider it relying on people I trust, both as townies and as good mafia players.  Their reasoning, especially web's point about there only being a limited number of people who can be scum, is what really makes me switch.

However, now it's nearly completely based off this quote:

Look, if you want me to stop fighting you then fine.  If you're dead set to kill me then so be it.  Stop asking questions and leave me be.  If you ask more or accuse more, I'll answer you.  As it is, I'll die at the end of the day.  It's distracting me from my work.

Nothing's more scummy than giving up.  I know; I've done it before as scum.  Thanks for making that post, dakarian.  Now I'm absolutely sure.  Vote dakarian.

[dakarian]

@Frelock

I stand by my old statement.  Once you know the noose is on you, the best thing to do is to carry a scum with you.  I don't want my scumhunting to be smothered by WOTs of me defending myself uselessly.  I'd rather lay a trail.


About time I get lynched anyway.  You know I've never EVER been lynched in a mafia game?  Not even the random-happy RL version.  Not even when I'm scum (or religious).  Not even with entire towns aiming for my head. 

Btw, no, I don't want another "don't act like that.  Defend yourself."  If you think I shouldn't be lynched, go speak to Web.  Otherwise, focus on finding the scum that'll die tomorrow. 

[ToonyMan]

Sad Dakarian lynch is sad.

At least metaly.

[Mr.Person]

@Frelock

I stand by my old statement.  Once you know the noose is on you, the best thing to do is to carry a scum with you.  I don't want my scumhunting to be smothered by WOTs of me defending myself uselessly.  I'd rather lay a trail.


About time I get lynched anyway.  You know I've never EVER been lynched in a mafia game?  Not even the random-happy RL version.  Not even when I'm scum (or religious).  Not even with entire towns aiming for my head. 

Btw, no, I don't want another "don't act like that.  Defend yourself."  If you think I shouldn't be lynched, go speak to Web.  Otherwise, focus on finding the scum that'll die tomorrow. 

I don't think you should be lynched. I don't think I can convince anybody, however. I would say Cheeetar, Zaithemaster, or Boksi would be better lynches, if purely because Dakarian has been helpful with his posts, while I feel Cheeetar, Zaithemaster, and Boksi have been fairly useless all game. Since Webadict thinks Cheeetar is town, I'm going to go with Zaithemaster.

What's abnormal about what Dakarian is doing? (Besides the quitting thing, which is both stupid and scummy, so don't even both mentioning that.) He's been posting good info, he's posted his thoughts. I must be confused, please explain to me what exactly is odd about Dakarian's behavior?

[dakarian]

Mind if I advise that you hold back on Zaithemaster? 

I did a study on his posts on Day 1.  People have been ignoring him, but he's been up front in trying to stop us from mass killing each other when others were content to let us be.  If I can put someone closest to town (other than web, of course ) it would be him at the moment.

Boksi's gone silent again.  If he doesn't post for the rest of the day, please note that he's NOT afk but actually lurking and reading this thread (as shown by his speed in replying the second time I asked for his prod, and by the Mod not replacing him the first time I asked).  He's hiding to dodge my question, hoping everyone would forget him again. 

Once a mafia is found, you can use his actions to find the others.  They like to random vote their own kind.  They like to apply pressure on them and call them out EARLY so that others who are more willing to kill can't focus on it first.  If the town pushes too hard, they bus the person.  If the town pushes but is willing to pull back, they break the bandwagon.  It's protectionism, and a good way to hide mistakes their partners are doing.

Meph applied all those links to Boksi.  I don't believe he meant to die so I doubt he red herringed it. 

The fun part is the last two.  Of them, I've filtered the list down to these four. 

chaoticjosh
Diakron
Mr.Person
Frelock


I don't think Toonyman has broken his metatells JUST yet so I'm willing to give him his town tells this game.  Zaith's Day 1 posts sound more townie than I ever have been.  Cheeetar sounds like a genuine novice town. 

Yes, Mr. Person, you're on the list only because I STILL have you neutral, and we can't have anyone under the radar anymore. 

What sucks is that there's VERY little to go off of.  Day 1 talk, I see now, only really works well when compared with other days.  Day 2's discussion was killed off FAST with web's bandwagon: A good move in the short term, but it shut down our scumhunting.  I believe we need to be well established Day 4 if we're going to survive.  As such we NEED as much info NOW as possible. 

I'll be blunt.. shut up about my 'giving up'.  When I'm on the noose I stop caring about whether I look scummy or not and, as those in BM1 remember, I DO get suicidal.  Vote for me, don't vote for me, just don't spam the damn board with it. 

So if you feel that Toonyman, Cheeetar, or Zaith are scum, you better bring some HARD evidence.

Boksi, you'll need hard evidence to not follow me to the grave.

You four, Chaoticjosh, Diakron, Mr.Person, Frelock: 

I believe two of you are scum and two of you are town.  Silence = scumminess at this point so get to talking and NOT about that stupid 'why you are town' BS.  I want to know which of you are scum.


I'll try to get some more analysis going.  If you're town, you'll do the same, even if it means going through the WOThell that is Day 1.  Whatever you believe of me and Boksi, there's two scum you need found very, VERY soon.

[Mr.Person]

See kids? This is what I mean. Actual content posts. What makes Dakarian scum? I don't see it, although I've got a question for him.

Dakarian: If you still think I'm "neutral" but you think everybody else is "town", would that not mean I should be labeled as "scum"? You claim me still being neutral is a bad thing, yet it's your fault that I'm still neutral, so don't complain about it. If you think it's unacceptable you still label me as neutral, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! All you've done is throw WIFOM and then refused to question me to throw out a real opinion.

There had better be at least 4 WoT's when I get up tomorrow, btw.

[dakarian]

See kids? This is what I mean. Actual content posts. What makes Dakarian scum? I don't see it, although I've got a question for him.

Dakarian: If you still think I'm "neutral" but you think everybody else is "town", would that not mean I should be labeled as "scum"? You claim me still being neutral is a bad thing, yet it's your fault that I'm still neutral, so don't complain about it. If you think it's unacceptable you still label me as neutral, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! All you've done is throw WIFOM and then refused to question me to throw out a real opinion.

There had better be at least 4 WoT's when I get up tomorrow, btw.

Neutral =! town.  Neutral = I don't know you.  Netural means I CAN'T put you off that list.  Neutral, however, means that you aren't on the 'kill' list like Boksi is. 

There's 3 others with you that are Neutral or, at best, 'worrisome' which is where Daikron actually is (The gut pushes him past Neutral).  I don't have a firm read on them or you.

The problem, to my theory two of my Neutrals are scum.  THAT is why I can't let you go, because if I let my Neutrals go I'm left without enough people to mark scum.

I'll look for more info, best I can.  Meanwhile, if you are town, then two of the other three are NOT town.  Spend less time wondering "why is this idiot still after me" and start wondering "Which of these folks are scummy?"  Don't be content to just wipe them all out: go hunt them down.

If you're still thinking 'defense' think this: If we have the final scum then that, by definition, leaves you town. 

Of course, if all you can do is complain about being targetted...

[Mr.Person]

See kids? This is what I mean. Actual content posts. What makes Dakarian scum? I don't see it, although I've got a question for him.

Dakarian: If you still think I'm "neutral" but you think everybody else is "town", would that not mean I should be labeled as "scum"? You claim me still being neutral is a bad thing, yet it's your fault that I'm still neutral, so don't complain about it. If you think it's unacceptable you still label me as neutral, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! All you've done is throw WIFOM and then refused to question me to throw out a real opinion.

There had better be at least 4 WoT's when I get up tomorrow, btw.

Neutral =! town.  Neutral = I don't know you.  Netural means I CAN'T put you off that list.  Neutral, however, means that you aren't on the 'kill' list like Boksi is. 

There's 3 others with you that are Neutral or, at best, 'worrisome' which is where Daikron actually is (The gut pushes him past Neutral).  I don't have a firm read on them or you.

The problem, to my theory two of my Neutrals are scum.  THAT is why I can't let you go, because if I let my Neutrals go I'm left without enough people to mark scum.

I'll look for more info, best I can.  Meanwhile, if you are town, then two of the other three are NOT town.  Spend less time wondering "why is this idiot still after me" and start wondering "Which of these folks are scummy?"  Don't be content to just wipe them all out: go hunt them down.

If you're still thinking 'defense' think this: If we have the final scum then that, by definition, leaves you town. 

Of course, if all you can do is complain about being targetted...

You're an idiot. You're trying to give me tunnel vision. Sorry, mate, I don't play that shit. You can't just say "These guys are the potential scum, everybody who doesn't vote them is scum!". That's the game scum plays, the town has no reason to pull shit like that.

Now, first off, you gave the wrong answer. What you should of done was asked us neutrals more questions so we would no longer be neutral. Instead you try and pit us neutrals against each other. Now, you're saying you have NO scum predictions besides Boksi? There's plenty of scumminess to go around. Take a stand, come on. Why are you content with lynching us "neutrals" when what you SHOULD be doing is deciding who among us is scum?

Then to top it all off, you try and convince me to lynch the rest of the neutrals with a totally retarded comment. "Don't be content to wipe them all out: go hunt them all down." What does this even MEAN? It sounds like the filler bullshit I see in self-help books. It kind of sounds like you want me to focus scum-hunting on the people YOU want me to scumhunt, which is stupid, everybody should be interrogated (minus Webadict). Next, you try and make defending oneself sound scummy AND try and avoid getting attacked by trying to motivate me to lynch along your list to prove my towniness. Brilliant, except I could just go find the ACTUAL scum without you telling me who to hunt. To end it all, of course, you make a retarded threat, implying that if I don't just follow you I'll get lynched. Good job, trying to make defending oneself look scummy when it isn't. That's real nice. Unvote and vote Dakarian.

I know, I know, I was your only advocate, but that post is just so scummy, it hurts. Nice try, scum. I don't care how long your posts were or what kind of analysis you provided, you're not really accusing anybody except Boksi.

[dakarian]

Wasting time.  That's not helpful, especially when I already have 3 votes on me

Very well, since Person's sick anything that doesn't show him as 100% town I better start on him.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

First off, his randomvote is on Alex, who we now know is a towny.

He then pressure votes Web.  That was when Web was acting kooky.

After that comes the quirk that made everyone start grumbling at him: the general intolerance towards others and the deep link with Alex.  Now that we have a ton more information, what looks like a scumtell looks more Null since he could be reading off Alex's meta as town or simply knowing Alex is town as scum. 

It makes for a harder read since A LOT of his text involves this, but it's a #&*(% load better than reading it as scummy.

From here, he's prodding a few people, Panda, Cheeetar.  Makes a few posts that still bug me, sides with Cheeetar with declaring Panda scum due to the way he worded Web's role, then we scuffle about.

He then gets into a row with Meph who avoids voting for him but prods at him, using my arguments against him.  After a big defense from Person, Meph pulls off and, instead, asks Person who he thinks are scum.  Once Person gives him a few names (Arch, Boksi) the game was restarted and Meph starts pressuring those people.  As far as Person, he keeps a 'passive worry' on him while the bandwagon starts.

Why bring that up?  I'm feeling it as a legitimate fight.  Meph, a scum, attacks Person without voting, uses my arguments to hit on him, then spins away to let everyone do their business, keeping himself out but not doing anything to stop what has happened.

I don't believe that was fake pressure like Boksi, especially since Meph was willing to let Person die in the bandwagon.  It doesn't seem staged since you usually start the fight so you can control the content and Meph was just using others for his information.  That leaves the idea that Meph attempted to seed a bandwagon on a town and avoid being noticed for it.

From here he's defending himself.  One thing of note is this exchange:

Wow and i thought i use to do stupid shi-... Mr. P all i said is that we where past the RVS (we where discussing the possibilities of alexhan being scum so lets not forget that topic) when RedWarrior tried to derail the discussion by going back to RVS, which i did not like, so i tried to remind him that we where busy, and to save it for tomorrow...


err guess i'm trying to say: i'm going to vote you to be lynched next day...

And why would that be? No, you are not allowed to bandwagon like that. Everybody must state a reason for non-random votes. This isn't a rule or anything, but I know for a fact if you don't Alexhans will just ask you for a reason anyways, so it doesn't really matter.

and another attempt to derail with an implied threat...

derail... what? Now you've just gone insane. I asked you for a reason you voted me, and you respond with your OWN derailment so you wouldn't have to answer, so major FoS on Diakron. Funny, that.

FAKEDIT: Oh, and your reason is terrible. Try again, pairing up with another player is not a reason to lynch them. Now, if Alexhans flipped mafia, you'd have a strong case. As it is, you pulled that out of your ass to get another vote on me.

Person is pretty right here: Diakron didn't give much of a reason for voting for Person and the attempt to call Person's response a derailment falls flat.


From here he battles a bit against the typical Toony Crazy.  After that comes a post responding to Boksi:

Hm. I guess I don't have this burning drive compelling me to read and write massive walls of text and analyze people based on their current behavior, future behavior and behavior in relation to current knowledge and other people's behavior. Instead I make hasty decisions based on hunches. Hee, I'm being a bad player. How amusing. Or not, if you take a freaking text game on the internet seriously enough to hold grudges, but I don't think you do. Do you?

Compare my behavior if you want. I was scum in Mind & Magic Mafia 2 and Ridiculous Mafia 2. I can't be bothered to do this analysis stuff.

But on to Meph's question. Why did I bandwagon Mr. Person? It's a question which I can't truly answer myself. I guess I didn't like his overzealousness. I mean, he seems like the most aggressive person in this game, well outpacing Alexhans. But maybe that's because I don't spend as much time poring over this thread like you guys?

That's fine, just one small detail. Why, exactly, is aggressiveness scummy?

Boksi using Meph's question as a means to explain his bandwagon on Person.  And the reason.. aggressiveness?  Aggressiveness is a town tell more than a scum tell.  He covers over it with the 'I don't care' attitude. 

Btw, yes I have noticed that I've gone from determining if Person is scum to using Person's posts to find OTHER scum.  At this point, I believe Person to be town.  With that, it helps to paint the other players based on how they treat him. 

Also, yes, I'm writing this as I go .  Let's continue.

He then goes back to Toonyman who hated Boksi's reason.  As to why Toony is voting, it's due to defensiveness.

Btw, Person, defensiveness IS a scum trait, just like how aggressiveness is a town trait.  Scum's main desire is to survive while town wish to kill during the day.  It leads the town to be more aggressive and care less about their own selves while the mafia are more likely to protect themselves and hide.  YES, scum can play a game of aggression, but, once you crack the surface, you'll find the passiveness.

It's a reason, sadly, why it's VERY hard to pull yourself out of a bandwagon since avoiding the attacks is 'deflection' while arguing them is 'defense'.  If the bandwagon is still fresh then convincing one person is enough since it's MUCH easier for someone ELSE to kill the bandwagon on you.  If the bandwagon is set to lynch..well.. you hang and try to take a scum with you.

But, again, this is game-theory talk, and not scum hunting.  At this point, you smell very town and just fighting the bandwagon.

The last thing I add in is Person's defense of Alex which caused me to break up my bandwagon on him.  Person DIDN'T need to do that at that point since it was a town trying to kill the townVig before he shoots.  If PersonScum stayed silent, Alex might've been killed (with me tearing on him, Alex going back to Jerk Mode, and web trying to browbeat instead of discuss).  The people may turn on me after that for the bandwagon.  If they even HINTED at turning on Person..well.. Meph and Boksi had been against Person so bussing him would help Meph (which web was starting to dislike) and Boksi (which REALLY needed the help).

So yes.. overall, I'm willing to say it, Person is a probable town.  Meanwhile, Boksi looks even WORSE and Daikron left something ugly during that bandwagon.

Sum up:

A lot of the suspicion on him was based on his personality and his game theory.  While both need some serious work, those are null tells.  The rest of the issue involved hugging on Alex which is, again, a Null tell now that we know Alex is town.

What is more telling is that Meph tried to kill Person the Passive Scummy Way: bring up suspicion to get a bandwagon going, then slip away once it starts and avoid it like the plague.  Thanks him hiding well and me being a big as hell spotlight with my own personality, it was easy to do.

Boksi and Daikron bandwagoned on Person with very poor reasons.  It's less about Person and more of a bad sign for the both of them.  I still need to do an analysis on Daikron though,  but it helps to seal Boksi's case.

The rest of his dealings was defense, mostly since he had a bandwagon on him. 

The last thing to note was his post to defend Alex that caused me to pull away from him.  That really wasn't necessary and there is a very nice scenario that PersonScum would gain for pulling away form Alex that would kill the vig before the shot, possibly kill another active, and either clear PersonScum or bus PersonScum to clear MephScum and BoksiScum.

As such, Person is probably town ('probably' is the best you can get unless you die, flip, and return like Web ).

[dakarian]

Now we move on to Diakron

First off, Diakron has the old Toony problem: you keep getting that scummy feeling on him.  He just 'seems' scummy when you read him.  The problem is that you'll feel that even if he's town.  That means you actually have to filter that out before you can figure out just who he is. 

I hear people scream out "play better!"  I say meh to that.  Instead, we need to read people properly.  We solved it with Toony, thus leading to 'Toony Crazy'.  When we solve it with Diakron, we'll probably have a name for it as well.

So the fun part: trying to weed out the junk.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Randomvotes archangel

His first real going was after Alex's hit on Web where he throws a randomquestion.  He later writes:

gah i dont know if i should vote alexhans or not

Basically confusion.  The next post is similar though he's bothered that Alex rejects the randomquestion.  He's left doing a 'it's ok. .kinda..perhaps' bit then goes back to Arc.

He then attacks Redwarrior for Randomvoting, but goes back to Arch which he's now really concerned about for lurking.

He does state, though, that the only person that looks bad is Panda for his odd typing (when he was doing the ALL CAPS thing).

The next post was after josh was confirmed.  He joins in to vote then comments on how he's not too good at scumhunting.

After that, the post I mentioned in Person's analysis:

Wow and i thought i use to do stupid shi-... Mr. P all i said is that we where past the RVS (we where discussing the possibilities of alexhan being scum so lets not forget that topic) when RedWarrior tried to derail the discussion by going back to RVS, which i did not like, so i tried to remind him that we where busy, and to save it for tomorrow...


err guess i'm trying to say: i'm going to vote you to be lynched next day...

I dislike this.  Attempting to ignore the mafia-theoryness (Red wasn't THAT off randomvoting at that point), it doesn't really state a reason for why Person should be killed.  It's just an argument at this point. 

Note: the reason why it's 'I'm going to vote' and not an actual vote is because everyone is voting on josh so we could reset the day. 

When Person calls him out for not giving a proper reason, the reply goes:

and another attempt to derail with an implied threat...

That's a misread.  How does Person asking for a reason (and saying that if Person doesn't ask, Alex will) result in a derail?  The implied threat could mean Alex's hammer but still.

Sidenote, it's also a question dodge.  He notices it and returns to answer:

My reasoning is that your protecting Alex, that plus you keep talking like he's got your back

Honestly, this comes out of the blue.  I'm tempted to believe that it was pulled because Person brought up Alex when asking that question.  If so, the answer fails since Diakron wanted him dead BEFOREHAND.  It also seems to have nothing to do with the argument about Red. 

Result: the answer sounds to be made after the vote and only to avoid question dodging.

After Person FOSes him Diakron fires back and, after the reset, votes for Person based on him 'feeling' scummy.  He also brings Alex into suspicion for defending Person.  Brothernature gets a small mention as well

After that, the WOTs begin and Diakron gets bugged over it. 

ok excuse my sudden return to newbiness but.....


I was sure that he said 4 scum in his flavor text and all we are doing is sitting on 1 guy and floating around him... i was just wondering if we should try to find the other scum instead of going after just the one.

WA: who would you chose to be the scumteam and why would you? (if you where town and if you where scum if you dont mind)

Toony: WHO THE FU*K is firewarrior? i thought Redwarrior was his name or did i miss read something???

Right now I have to say that quite a few people have said they wanted to get rid of Mr. P and now suddenly they are changing their minds. (looks at beginner mafia 2) ya that tactic worked well for me and panda... (takes a second in self-contemplation about winning that game) ya i'm not going to fall for that after i use it.

A yell for people to focus on more than one person, since we have 4 scum.  Then a severe lack of actually attacking someone.  Then throwing passive suspicion on 'those that aren't voting for Person anymore'. 

Simply put:  NOT HELPING

Problem: That's almost a null tell since it could be an Unhelpful Townie or a Passive Lurking Mafia. 


Well, Diakron now asks webadict who he would want for scumbuddies.  Web tears at him for it which bothers Diakron.

He then joins in with josh in regards to why Alex should hammer Person.  He now accuses Alex for the hammering of web.


His next post comes after the Alex/Toony bet:

UNVOTE

damn to many WoT... all i want to know is why Alexhans agreed to a plan the reneged on it?

Note: This is using my argument since I was the one to call out the issue.

Next post: an attack on P's analysis

Note: Person's Analysis involves three towns (yes I include myself ) and someone I now believe to be town. 

The quote itself:

mr. P: the only way i would even think about that being a good analysis is if you flipped town... i still think you are scum but alexhans said way back ( i will search for it and post it) that he agreed to a hammer on you and now you two seem to be buddying it up and writing post that support each other and discredit everyone else...

Suggests that if Person flipped town, his analysis would be considered.  Considering the heavy amounts of townies in the 'scum' pile and that it requires another town to die to start it up, it would be disastrous.

From here he keeps attacking Person and Alex for teaming, following others who posted just before saying the same thing.

Next post: ANOTHER argument riding!

This time attacking web and disagreeing with him while asking for evidence.  His post came an hour after my own which..well.. does the same thing

The trend now shows.  Early on he sat confused and unsure what to do.  Once things picked up and he likes to ride on other people's arguments. 

After this, the big mispost+edit.  In the end, this is a null tell.  It was made clear from other games that he was stressed to insanity.  The mod's actions, meanwhile, suggest that the mispost was NOT a mafia quicktopic from our game that's being covered up.  On the other hand, he was stressing out over being accused as scum in a few games, including one of which he was town and another which he was scum.  Thus, it doesn't say anything about what's going on in this game. 

Yes, people pulled back on him after that.  No, I don't think that was the intent.  I believe it was genuine.  Yes, it's still a null tell.


He comes back later to see the bandwagon on Redwarrior.  He dislikes it and would rather Person and Alex die. 

Funny thing: he was the first to mention it.  The bandwagon was full and going by then. 


Red then dies and Diakron now really wants Alex to die.

He then goes silent until Day 2 where he goes after Frelock until it's pointed out that Frelock didn't have a chance to do anything, since he just replaced Brothernature. 

he then makes a funny quirk when someone merged my name with his, lashed at web a bit in annoyance, then joins to finish off meph. Thus ends Day 2

Day 3, he charges for Person.  An odd thing since the main reason he disliked Person was the defense for Alex..which turned out to be town.  he claimed 'numerous scumtells', but when asked for them he just says to go back to the past days.  He hasn't written since.

Well.. I think I found what makes people suspect Diakron.. at least in this game.  He rides arguements WAYYYYY too much.  Diakron's "craziness" is the 'me too' feel to his arguments and the fact that he just sits in confusion otherwise.

The question is: is that really his 'craziness" that we have to consider his personality or is this particular in this game.  If the former, then there's not much to really pin on him.  If the latter, it's passive lurking switching into passive aggressiveness+leader following: Scummy behavior.

The idea of having to run through multiple games to figure that out scares me. 

For now, I'm hoping that Josh's and Frelock's analysis will clear things up.  Otherwise, Diakron looks to be the biggest contender.