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[dakarian]

I've already posted today you silly bear. I'm just lurking I'm just waiting so I won't post at 1 in the morning and say something stupid again. In the meantime, I think Dakarian is town (He's been super helpful) and I think Zaithemaster is unhelpful but probably town, and I'm going to think heavily about Cheeetar. He could go either way, depending on what he says.

Only post you made so far was a joke combined with a "Oh wait. In any case, there's no way for me to say this without looking like scum, but do remember that Alexhans thought I was town."

WIFOM+self defense= Very Ugly Post

Now the only person you're looking at is Cheeetar?  And you're waiting for him to speak.. about what?  He's already answered my questions.  He's already written a bunch.  If you're still bothered about something, how about asking him a question?

If you have no questions, then who ARE you after?  After 3 days, SOMEONE must look bad enough to warrant aggression from you.

[Leafsnail]

Suddenly you look over to the whiteboard, which, in spite of the fact that noone is taking notes, nevertheless contains the current voting intentions of each person.  How peculiar.

Mr.Person - Diakron
dakarian - webadict, ToonyMan, Cheeetar
ToonyMan - chaoticjosh
Diakron - Zaithemaster
Vengence - Mephansteras

The phantom whiteboard slowly disappears.

Oh, and just to say, noone other than Brothernature has been replaced, since Zai has pm'd me to say he feels better.

[dakarian]

@Josh

I think I see your plan now.

Well, I'm looking through Meph's posts (a little tricky to use the 'last posts' section since he hosts two games) to see if I can find a link anywhere.  It's a little messy since he kept himself back but I did notice something.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

His randomvote went to Boksi.  After that, he would prod and poke at people's comments.  As far as true suspicions though:

Right now, though, I want to hear from Boksi and brothernature the most. Who do you think are scum? Who do you think is town at this point? What is your opinion of everything that happened the first time around for day 1?

You're both lurking a bit and it's liable to get you both killed. It's fine if you can't get online to post too often, but please try to make the posts that you do make informative and helpful.

And, to Dakarian, note that I'm not voting for the lurkers just for lurking. I'm just trying to get them to talk so I can make an intelligent vote. That said, I'm going to vote for Boksi for his jumping onto the Mr.Person bandwagon, knowing its bandwagoning, and not giving a really good reason for doing so.

@Boksi: If you're willing to vote him you must have reasons. Spell them out. Joining a bandwagon with a good reason is fine (we have to lynch someone), but just jumping on board without any good evidence is bad news. And don't assume we know why you're voting for him, spell it out. Otherwise it looks like you're scum going 'Oh, easy town lynch! I'll just vote the guy everyone else is voting and no one will suspect me'.

Sidenote: About this time web questions him about being lax and he says that he was after Person.  However, all he did against Person was one post reusing one of my arguments. 

Now after some time passes, and Boksi posts a bit (and lots of WOTs show up), Meth belts this out:

3) Have all of you completely forgotten about brothernature??? Seriously, in all the lists of "who's scum" he seems to have conveniently fallen off the list. Boksi, I see, is still on it for lurking, but why not brothernature? He's been even more silent and unhelpful then anyone else. Alex still has his vote on him, it seems, but even he hasn't exactly mentioned him very often.

Which is funny because most of the lists hold both in the "Looks bad for lurking" lists (I caught one that gave brother better credit than Boksi).

Meth finishes up by voting for Brothernature. 

Later on he does an analysis of Brother, Warrior, and Boksi.  After it, he votes for Warrior with the intention to vote for Boksi afterwards.

When pressured on this:

Honestly, Redwarrior's flip really won't effect it. I'm planning on voting Boksi after this to put pressure on him so we can try to get more out of him and determine if he is indeed scum or not. I'm thinking he is, and he could just as easily be scum with or without RedWarrior0. It's not like they've been doing anything that really ties them together other then general scummy behavior.

After this, Redwarrior is hammered.  His analysis of the situation?

So...I'm really not sure who I'm going to vote for. Pandarsenic didn't jump on that wagon, Cheeetar didn't, and (not surprising) Boksi and brothernature aren't on it either.

Which means I need to sit down and really think things through. Either my assumptions of who is town need to be rethought or the scum are doing a brilliant job of letting us shoot ourselves in the foot.

No pressure on Boksi.  Suddenly Boksi looks fine because he didn't join the bandwagon.

After this, he starts attacking me due to my voting habits.  By then, though, Web came in, stated his proof of Meph's scumminess, and Meph went silence ever since.

To sum up what's in the spoilers:

Meph started off on Boksi early, and would reference him occasionally while no one was looking at him. 

However, once pressure started building for Boksi and his postings proved to be ugly to some, he jumped and went for brothernature instead. 

Once the WOT madness ended and it was clear that Alex/Person weren't going to die, he came back to join in against Redwarrior insisting that he'll go after boksi later no matter Red's flip. 

Afterwards, Boksi is left off the hook. 


Now that you're back, Boksi, any thoughts on this matter?

[Mr.Person]

Zaithemaster: He hasn't been feeling well, apparently, but his posts... They seem pretty pointless, the few of them he's made recently. Diakron is an obvious target, so Zai might be trying to quickly start a bandwagon and then retreat into the shadows. Until proven otherwise, he's a 4 in my book. If you can respond, Zai, that number is still quite malleable, because I'm in no way certain. If I can get more info I can be more sure.

Diakron: His lack of capitalization and general attitude may make him look scummier than he is, but even taking that into account his behavior is either incredibly foolish or scummy. I rate him 4.

Oh ho ho, you can't do this. Well, you can, but it's scummy. You can't say Zai is suspicious for suspecting Diakron when you yourself suspect Diakron. Also, you're being ridiculously mild, you can't say EVERYBODY is scum, somebody has to be scum.

Mod: Can I get a list of who's replaced who? It's kind of confusing.

[dakarian]

Wait, so Frelock is still playing?

@Mod

I want a list of who's currently alive, and a Prod for Frelock if he's still in the game.

[ToonyMan]

@Dakarian:

You keep throwing up words for me to read, so I scanned through them all a bit.  You are accusing me of getting to close to Webadict and trusting his words?  This is simply not true, I went against him early when he said Alexhans (or Mr.Person I don't remember) was Town.  Turns out he was Town.  He told me to hit myself with a lead pipe (I did not).  I agree with him this time, because it is TRUE.

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@Web

Thought so.  You're running off your gut.  You also seem pissed over Day 1.  Silly that, since it's good for the town to scumhunt rather than bandwagon.  I can't help the fact that the town decided to follow my lead over and over.  All I could do is hunt the best way I know how.


Very well.  You ask me "How I am town."  Very messy question, but I'll answer anyway.

I don't follow bandwagons, nor ever ask the town to follow me blindly.  When Josh made his offer to reset, I didn't deny him or jump with him: I saw where the town could turn a semi-risk into a near-sure bet by asking for confirmation.  That way, the only way for Josh to lie is to have a second scum with his  'known PR' cover for him.  I didn't like the idea of trading a scum for a Beloved Princess, especially since it would destroy the chance of a good Day 1 discussion, give the mafia 2 free kills, leave you dead, and possibly lead to another kill from the Chaotic role (since all of us would have <2 posts in Day 2.. since NO posts would have occurred).  Trading 2 scum wouldn't be so bad though. 

Of course, chances are, it would just lead to someone confirming and us using the reset, as is what happened.

After that, I scumhunted.  I've proven that I don't tunnel vision, nor do I just accept other's arguments.  I listen to them, argue with them, prod them, until I get good or bad answers.  If I want to kill, I don't DEMAND the town to kill, but instead ask them to take notice.  I don't ask for a 'counterargument' to go "OMG YOU DEFEND SCUM!" I WANT those counterarguments so that I can make sure "I" am sound in my reasoning.  I could've easily kept pushing on Alex: you were being rude, Alex was being a jerk, and many MANY wanted him dead.  It wouldn't take much just to go Tunnel Vision and pass around Person's post and your outcries to finish the kill.  I mean, JEESH, YOU got sick of him enough to put him on the Kill list. 

But I didn't.  I listened to Person's argument and shut down that bandwagon.  I never fully confirmed him town, but I did pull away.

Btw, I asked you about your "don't kill him" since you didn't say whether that was towards Meph or Panda.  The day ended before you replied, though. 



Fact is, I've shown myself as town time and again, from acting in the town's best interests to taking risks that would hurt my credibility or even kill me.  I avoided mindless following and explained my actions every step of the way.  THAT is why the town followed me Day 1 and not you.  For every explanation post you gave, you had 2 or 3 that browbeat the town or pushed it towards mindless following. 

You claim you could come up with a million reasons.  I doubt that.  I bet if that gut was removed, THESE would be your reasons:

1. You swear the mafia is trying to stop you from following the list:

(which sounds odd since it means the Chaotic role (or Arg if his 'random' did the kill) is scum or else the mafia were VERY lucky.  It also brings out the "What if the Mafia WANTS you to follow that list" WIFOM.  It also grows weak since you're willing to kill me for being on the list but NOT josh, meaning you AREN'T just following the list, contrary to what you said when you first posted.)

2. I've lead the town towards multiple town deaths.

(Which, like I point out to Cheeetar, is Pot-kettle-black since much of your list had Townies as well.  Bad reasoning to assume that someone can't possibly have the same idea you do)

3. I'm hard to read as town since there's too many town-tells.  That reeks of the "Too Town" argument.


The best argument given so far is that I didn't "directly say I was town" and that I mentioned the Doctor before others have.  The strongest force the town has is that Web is after me.  The strongest forces you have, Web, is that the gut that found Vector in BM1 and Meph here points to me. 



I'll end it all with this.  If your gut still streams "Scum" then go and vote, but DON'T shorten the day.  If I only have a few RL days to work with then I'm going to go scumhunting.  If I live the day, I'll find a proper scum to kill.  If I die, I'll make sure to provide enough for you to find the proper scum tomorrow. 

If you have any other questions or issues, I'll gladly answer, but if that's all then don't mind me when I turn to other matters.

Dakarian, this post doesn't say anything!  You just went over what a good townie should do.  I still believe you to be scum, remember when Pandarsenic (a confirmed dead townie now) said that people like to encourage me into lynching wrong people? (that being Alexhans who was nightkilled).  You knew Alexhans was Town, you knew that and you said I was doing a good job and should continue!


@Sir Josh:

@Josh

Considering you know Toony, what about him is exactly NOT Toony-town?

Note I don't say 'Normal town'.  We all know Toony-town doesn't act like how we want him to act.  We don't have time to hunt folks we don't like.  What makes him SCUM rather than his normal self?

Furthermore, is Toony your only target?  Any idea on who the other two are?

I wouldn't say I KNOW Toon, as I've really only played a handful of games with him, but if I had to say it, it'd be because scum toon reacts badly to tension. Not pressure, but tension. By that I mean the more 'serious' the day is, he gradually gets quieter and contributes less, opting to go with safer bets.

As for who else might be scum? I'm thinking:

Diakron (For generally being suspicious and not making sense)
Cheeetar (For reasons being made apparent by Dakarian)
Boksi (For lurking up until now)
Frelock (Replaced Brothernature, then is replaced himself by Nihilist? I think that's the first time that's ever happened in mafia. Not quite sure what to say.)

WA said that Cheeetar is very likely town, so I'm willing to mark up his awkward defenses as general awkwardness if WA can assure me there's solid evidence for his claim.

@Boksi

I'm glad you could join us.

I'm going to mull over things for a while before voting though. See how things progress.

I hope you can stay with us more consistently from now on.

This is true, I do not like tension.  However!  This does not mean I do not have Town as best interest in my heart.  I want to help Town for once!  I usually live to end-game anyway...at least now.  I AM TOWN.  I don't like tension either way.

[Leafsnail]

Frelock has replaced brothernature.  That is the only replacement that has been made in this entire game.

[dakarian]

@Dakarian:

You keep throwing up words for me to read, so I scanned through them all a bit.  You are accusing me of getting to close to Webadict and trusting his words?  This is simply not true, I went against him early when he said Alexhans (or Mr.Person I don't remember) was Town.  Turns out he was Town.  He told me to hit myself with a lead pipe (I did not).  I agree with him this time, because it is TRUE.

Toony.. what?

I wrote ONE post to you this day.  The ONLY thing I spoke about you was that I wanted your reason for thinking me scum.  I didn't link you and web.  On the contrary, I wrote that you had DIFFERENT ideas from web (who, at the time, was just wanting to finish his list). 

Everything I wrote was to other people based on THEIR posts and THEIR beliefs. 

I don't tend to think of you as misreading people's posts.  Tunnel yes but misread.. no.  Is something wrong?

Dakarian, this post doesn't say anything!  You just went over what a good townie should do.  I still believe you to be scum, remember when Pandarsenic (a confirmed dead townie now) said that people like to encourage me into lynching wrong people? (that being Alexhans who was nightkilled).  You knew Alexhans was Town, you knew that and you said I was doing a good job and should continue!

Thanks for the compliment.  I didn't write 'what a good townie should do'.  I wrote 'what "I" have done'.  To confuse one for the other suggests you believe my actions to be similar to that of a good townie. 

Btw, the entire reason why I posted that was to answer Web's question.  He asked "what makes me town."  That's my answer.  I prefer something more specific while others answer that question for themselves but I don't question dodge. 


I said you were doing good to pressure Alex.  Unlike others, I don't consider your posts useless.  They pressure people in ways that are hard to attack.  It allows for interesting exchanges like the Alex/Toony bet. 

The only time I knew Alex to be town was when he died.  Until then, he was doubtful but still possible.  Continual pressure helps NOT just to confirm scum but to also confirm town as well.  I figure enough pressure would finally end the entire Alex/Person question, perhaps even without a Person-lynch. 

Notice that I'm not bashing you or hating you for attacking me.  I WILL ask for reasons though because that's how I handle my defense.  Of course, if you are thinking me scum because of Web's gut then, like web, I have nothing that can defend myself for it.  If you have your own reasons, then we can talk more.


@Sir Josh:

This is true, I do not like tension.  However!  This does not mean I do not have Town as best interest in my heart.  I want to help Town for once!  I usually live to end-game anyway...at least now.  I AM TOWN.  I don't like tension either way.

Nice thing about tension, though: it causes people to crack.  Even Toony Craziness can crack, exposing your true nature.  Once you do crack, we'll be able to know if you're honest or not.

[Leafsnail]

Oh, and Frelock posted yesterday, Dakarian.  I don't think enough time has passed to give him a prod.

[Zai]

Zaithemaster: He hasn't been feeling well, apparently, but his posts... They seem pretty pointless, the few of them he's made recently. Diakron is an obvious target, so Zai might be trying to quickly start a bandwagon and then retreat into the shadows. Until proven otherwise, he's a 4 in my book. If you can respond, Zai, that number is still quite malleable, because I'm in no way certain. If I can get more info I can be more sure.

More info on what? You hardly said anything here, aside from my last few posts (most done while sick) were pointless and I'm going after Diakron. Why is voting Diakron a bad thing? Is voting for, say, dakarian any better? Is voting for no one and not committing the "correct" thing to do in your mind? Though I suppose not voting is better if you plan on becoming inactive so that you wouldn't be able to change your vote.

I believe Diakron's acting abnormally, even for being Diakron. I'm not voting for a quick bandwagon; if I wanted one of those, I could just join the one for dakarian. People aside from myself have shown a reluctance to vote Diakron so far, so why would I try against hope to get a bandwagon on him? I vote for him because I firmly believe Diakron to be scum.

In his last few posts, Diakron mentioned that he thought M.P was scum since Day 1. Why then did he vote for Frelock, a guy just joining the game, rather than vote for M.P? He says M.P had numerous scumtells, but doesn't share any of them, instead relying on vague attacks. He also says that M.P is the "only target" right now, but once again doesn't tell us why.

I then attempted to pull some answers and reasons out of him. To this, he responds that I need to reread Day 1.5. He says he is "reverting to that" because "all the people i wanted to vote have cleared themselves in my eyes." For one thing, this answers none of my questions, and is just evading arguments. If all the people he wanted to vote for (these would be who he thought was scum if he was town) have cleared themselves, then why is he going after M.P? He says he always thought M.P was scum, so he obviously wanted to vote for him. But then, after all the people he wanted to vote for have cleared themselves, why is he still going after one of them?

The logic in his posts is half-baked and doesn't connect. He's scum. If he wants me to change my vote, he damn well better argue as to why he's town.

And yeah. I'm feeling quite a bit better. And more aggressive. Connection? Probably.

[Frelock]

My apologies, I had a circuits exam today(which I did horribly on ).  Please give me 32 hours before you start replacing me, alright?

I suppose I'll put up a list of my suspicions like boski.  Seems like a good idea

From least to most scummy:
Webadict - Self explanatory

Toonyman - He does what he always does as town: tunnelvision, hunt down those he's even slightly suspicious of, and pursue them with a vengeance until either they crack or are cleared.  Somewhat meta-gamey, to be sure, but still is a good indication.

Cheeetar - As web is a confirmed townie, if he's 99.99% sure that someone is town, I'm willing to give them a good probability of being town.  I'm guessing he's been confirmed by some night-action or another that web just doesn't want to explain in public.  Why should having a confirmed townie be a good thing if we can't listen to what he says?

Zai - Been sick lately, but always felt town to me before that.  Also, his recent posts, while an attack on diakron, that doesn't seem to be especially scummy to me.  You're right, Boski, Dai is an easy target.  But he's easy because he looks scummy.  I don't see anything wrong with attacking a scummy person.

Mr. Person - Alex was near-certain that he was town, but his insistence on that point knocks him down a bit.

Boski - Haven't been able to get a good read on him.

Chaoticjosh - Already mentioned his bandwaggoning, also seems to buddy up with dakarion.

Diakron - More on this when I get back from class.

Dakarion - I love it how this quote:

WIFOM+self defense= Very Ugly Post

follows this one:

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@Web

Thought so.  You're running off your gut.  You also seem pissed over Day 1.  Silly that, since it's good for the town to scumhunt rather than bandwagon.  I can't help the fact that the town decided to follow my lead over and over.  All I could do is hunt the best way I know how.


Very well.  You ask me "How I am town."  Very messy question, but I'll answer anyway.

I don't follow bandwagons, nor ever ask the town to follow me blindly.  When Josh made his offer to reset, I didn't deny him or jump with him: I saw where the town could turn a semi-risk into a near-sure bet by asking for confirmation.  That way, the only way for Josh to lie is to have a second scum with his  'known PR' cover for him.  I didn't like the idea of trading a scum for a Beloved Princess, especially since it would destroy the chance of a good Day 1 discussion, give the mafia 2 free kills, leave you dead, and possibly lead to another kill from the Chaotic role (since all of us would have <2 posts in Day 2.. since NO posts would have occurred).  Trading 2 scum wouldn't be so bad though. 

Of course, chances are, it would just lead to someone confirming and us using the reset, as is what happened.

After that, I scumhunted.  I've proven that I don't tunnel vision, nor do I just accept other's arguments.  I listen to them, argue with them, prod them, until I get good or bad answers.  If I want to kill, I don't DEMAND the town to kill, but instead ask them to take notice.  I don't ask for a 'counterargument' to go "OMG YOU DEFEND SCUM!" I WANT those counterarguments so that I can make sure "I" am sound in my reasoning.  I could've easily kept pushing on Alex: you were being rude, Alex was being a jerk, and many MANY wanted him dead.  It wouldn't take much just to go Tunnel Vision and pass around Person's post and your outcries to finish the kill.  I mean, JEESH, YOU got sick of him enough to put him on the Kill list. 

But I didn't.  I listened to Person's argument and shut down that bandwagon.  I never fully confirmed him town, but I did pull away.

Btw, I asked you about your "don't kill him" since you didn't say whether that was towards Meph or Panda.  The day ended before you replied, though. 



Fact is, I've shown myself as town time and again, from acting in the town's best interests to taking risks that would hurt my credibility or even kill me.  I avoided mindless following and explained my actions every step of the way.  THAT is why the town followed me Day 1 and not you.  For every explanation post you gave, you had 2 or 3 that browbeat the town or pushed it towards mindless following. 

You claim you could come up with a million reasons.  I doubt that.  I bet if that gut was removed, THESE would be your reasons:

1. You swear the mafia is trying to stop you from following the list:

(which sounds odd since it means the Chaotic role (or Arg if his 'random' did the kill) is scum or else the mafia were VERY lucky.  It also brings out the "What if the Mafia WANTS you to follow that list" WIFOM.  It also grows weak since you're willing to kill me for being on the list but NOT josh, meaning you AREN'T just following the list, contrary to what you said when you first posted.)

2. I've lead the town towards multiple town deaths.

(Which, like I point out to Cheeetar, is Pot-kettle-black since much of your list had Townies as well.  Bad reasoning to assume that someone can't possibly have the same idea you do)

3. I'm hard to read as town since there's too many town-tells.  That reeks of the "Too Town" argument.


The best argument given so far is that I didn't "directly say I was town" and that I mentioned the Doctor before others have.  The strongest force the town has is that Web is after me.  The strongest forces you have, Web, is that the gut that found Vector in BM1 and Meph here points to me. 



I'll end it all with this.  If your gut still streams "Scum" then go and vote, but DON'T shorten the day.  If I only have a few RL days to work with then I'm going to go scumhunting.  If I live the day, I'll find a proper scum to kill.  If I die, I'll make sure to provide enough for you to find the proper scum tomorrow. 

If you have any other questions or issues, I'll gladly answer, but if that's all then don't mind me when I turn to other matters.

What I find interesting is that you explicitly list off a list of things which are "townie-like."(by the way, the correct answer to web's question is not a list, it's "because my role PM said so")  Now, you'll probably call that the "too townie" fallacy, but I call it a question of your playstyle.  Do you simply follow the list of town-tells whether you're town or scum?  However, I'm personally inclined to say you're town simply on that point.  You've made a lot of good posts with a lot of good content, and your reasoning is logical.
More on this when I get back from class.

[dakarian]

As for the correlation: It's a reason why I don't like that question "why are you town?"  You're stuck giving WIFOMs and defense, making a fluff answer like "because I am" or question dodging.  I answered for the sake of answering.

"by the way, the correct answer to web's question is not a list, it's "because my role PM said so""

That's not much better, honestly, and I worry if anyone will actually consider that 'pro-town' to answer that.


Seriously.. what are the charges that are being used to mark me scum? 

[ToonyMan]

SCUM SCUM SCUM.

[webadict]

As for the correlation: It's a reason why I don't like that question "why are you town?"  You're stuck giving WIFOMs and defense, making a fluff answer like "because I am" or question dodging.  I answered for the sake of answering.

"by the way, the correct answer to web's question is not a list, it's "because my role PM said so""

That's not much better, honestly, and I worry if anyone will actually consider that 'pro-town' to answer that.


Seriously.. what are the charges that are being used to mark me scum? 

Actually, Frelock is right about the answer thing. There really isn't an answer. It's more like... How you answer it. If you think some of the things you did during the game make you town, then you're probably not town. Because you either are or aren't town.

Given that and your smiley-face thing, I'll make a HUGE LIST OF THINGS!

Ahem.

Number 1: Because there's only a limited number of people that can BE scum right now. Those being: dakarian, Diakron, Boksi, Mr.Person, chaoticjosh (95% sure). I guess I might be wrong about chaoticjosh however, since he DID make a confirmed townie. He could've avoided that and simply gone on with the game, giving the scum a better lead at the cost of himself. Probably later. So, we'll remove him for now.

That leaves... dakarian, Diakron, Boksi, and Mr.Person. And since Alexhans says Mr.Person is town, I'm inclined to believe him. He tends to understand Mr.Person very well, and I'm NOT so sure about him, but hey, we'll go with it for now. (He WAS wrong about me... I'll give it a chance)

So, dakarian, Diakron, and Boksi.

Boksi makes sense, since he's the counter-role to Mephansteras. Meph was sure if there was a role that would target him, it'd instead target Boksi. Like a roleblocker. So, he killed the first Night. Ergo, we'll assume that for now. Also, Mephansteras voted you first Day. Terrible, terrible scum...

Diakron. Diakron knows two roles. He didn't initially release his two known roles at first. I'm pretty certain it's because Meph told him to after he'd said one. He then later released them and his role to make up for it. If Alexhans hadn't held back on that, I'm sure Diakron would've released earlier. Thanks Alex.

Now, to dakarian. You simply have a terrible role that won't help us even IF you're town. Which you're likely not. Which is almost what you said to Alexhans. But you didn't vote him. You just told him he was being scummy and that he should stop. Not buying it... You were also very against the chaoticjosh lynch Day 1. I wonder why? You seem very buddy-buddy with Mephansteras. So does Diakron. You're also very against your own lynch, even with a terrible role. You seem very cautious when you vote people. You ask a lot of questions Day 1. A lot of stupid questions. And you're generally suspicious. Or is this not enough for you? Would you think it's better to keep you alive with that role?

[JoshuaFH]

@Toony

This is true, I do not like tension.  However!  This does not mean I do not have Town as best interest in my heart.  I want to help Town for once!  I usually live to end-game anyway...at least now.  I AM TOWN.  I don't like tension either way.

That's nice Toon, very nice. Now, can you answer the question I posed to you?

Chaoticjosh - Already mentioned his bandwaggoning, also seems to buddy up with dakarion.

So wait, are you implying here that it's scummy to protect people you think are town? This might be hypocritical of me, since I did my fair share of attacking Alex for defending MP, but it's a little alarming that so few people share my sentiment. Especially jarring is how, yesterday, your sole opinion of Dakarian was:

Dakarian-
I've got nothing.  Perhaps I just like his posting style too much, but I can't see why he's suspicious.  Perhaps he's just flown under my radar but for the time being, he's neutral on my list.

So what happened that caused Dak to jump from neutral, to your most suspicious person? Especially since you said that you're inclined to believe he's town.