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[smjjames]

The reason I ask is because the two goblin civs on my civ list (one of them popped up not too long ago and the sieges have pumped up in frequency since then) have alot of goblin recruits in their civ info. The one which I've fought for a bit over 20 years lost all their local leaders many years ago, but still have a few goblin recruits with some priests and a peasant thrown in (yes, a goblin peasant). The other one which appeared right about when the sieges started to come almost bi or tri-seasonally (the other goblin civ was probably responsible for at least one of those, no way to tell the nationality of siegers other than local leaders) about a game year ago have one local leader and a whole bunch of recruits.

The sieges are really just an inconvenience and not a major threat to me, not to mention the hauling and the mess they make when they attack a caravan.

Edit: I did check the wiki, but nothing regarding recruits or whatever listed in the civ info. Also, this is the first time (I think) that I've had a fort get more than 20 years old with invasions on. I've had forts get this old before, but with invasions off.

[Jim Groovester]

If it's been twenty years, and you've gotten sieges the whole time, and you've killed everybody else, the goblin recruits probably won't come.

What sort of goblins lead squads? Are they generic weapon masters and lords? If they are, you've probably killed everybody you can.

[smjjames]

There actually was a stretch of a few years of no sieges before the escelation. I have gotten some 'guard' units recently, but not sure if its from the newer one or the older one. The newer one has a local leader in thier info who hasn't showed up yet.

The 'guards' are the generic weapon masters right?

[Jim Groovester]

No, those are actually guards from the dark fortresses. You find them around city sites in adventure mode.

Generic weapon lords will be just that. They'll show up as 'Goblin Pikemaster' or whatever, and when you zoom onto them they won't be local leaders, and they won't be on the civ screen.

[smjjames]

All the weaponmasters (the ones with flashing names) were killed off long ago, and those were the ones on the civ list. I haven't seen any more weapon masters since the last one, which was an elite bowdwarf, was killed years ago. Just alot of <insert weapon here>men.

[Jim Groovester]

Well, maybe you're getting sieges led by hunters and fortress guards from each of the cities. How big are these goblin civs? If they're pretty big, then the list of these other combatants might be pretty long, and it might take a while to get through them.

There's a thread somewhere where I talked about this....

Ah, here we go. I think my conclusions in that thread are mostly accurate, regarding the makeup of goblin sieges and ambushes. (And most everything else, if I might be so bold.)

As far as I know, those goblin recruits should show up eventually. It'll just take time to whittle away the rest of the potential squad leaders.

[smjjames]

Well, looking at the unit list, there are seven flashing weaponmasters, although there is a master lasher listed but not blinking and there is a goblin swordmaster who shows up as a brighter blue compared to the blue-grey of the other swordsmen but is not flashing.

Those two non-flashing weaponmasters are the only exceptions I could find. The guards are usually weaponmasters I think, but I haven't gotten any hunters or otherwise.

So, I think that civ is actually pretty big and they came to a point where they called an ally (maybe?) for help and the sieges ramped up suddendly. The new civ on the list has a bit over a page full of units, mostly recruits, one local leader and some random priests and goblins thrown in.

[Jim Groovester]

The flashing weapon masters are the local leaders.

The non-flashing weapon masters, those might've been recruits from the civ screen.

Hunters won't show up as 'goblin hunters', they'll show up as crossbowman or bowman. You've seen that occasionally a squad of goblins will be lead by a marksgoblin, right? Those are hunters from world generation, and they sometimes carry animal bling. And sometimes empty quivers, too.

If you've got a pageful of people in a civ, you'll have lots of immortal goblins from worldgen to kill before they start generating generic weapons masters to siege you. So it might take some time.