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[CobaltKobold]

Dark shouldn't double damage on light, I think. Not sure if half is appropriate, I'd wait on sims. as-is a dark cabal will stomp a celest e'en more thn usual, which seems opposite the intent.

Healing boost doesn't make much sense fluffwise.

MAYBE a +1 all attrs. Light magic being more powerful than others.

[webadict]

The Celestial Mage needs more to make them useful. Right now, while they don't help Dark wizards when they assists, Cabal frequently won't have Dark as an Element. And in combat a Dark wizard will almost always use Dark, so all using Light does is mean both are doing double-damage. Not very good for the Celestial mage.

So, thoughts on improving them?

One idea is to give them a permanent Healing boost of +2.

@Cobalt: Right now Dark and Light oppose one another the same way the normal Elements do.

DON'T IMPROVE EVERY ROLE!

It's fine as it is.

[SHAD0Wdump]

Dark doing more damage to light was a needed draw to using it right?

Now allowing the Celestial to do more assist and have slight natural buffs would give it some reason.

Also,as a person having used the celestial,he needs something badly,he just feels slightly boring.

[Neruz]

The thing is, the +2 to all stats already gives Cabal a huge statistical advantage. Dark then renders them vulnerable to Light; a damage type that may not even be in the game.

[SHAD0Wdump]

What if we give the celestials +2 to healing(and that ONLY) and +3s to assisting tower with light, while cabal get their defense and healing reduced to only +1,but assisting them with dark gives a +3?

[webadict]

Dark doing more damage to light was a needed draw to using it right?

Now allowing the Celestial to do more assist and have slight natural buffs would give it some reason.

Also,as a person having used the celestial,he needs something badly,he just feels slightly boring.

He doesn't need anything. Not every power role needs to have +5 Powers Of Awesomeness. You don't even need power roles to win a game of mafia.

[CobaltKobold]

When the lynch-substitute requires mechanical or numerical advantage, yes, you actually might.

a vanilla tower vs a vanilla cabal loses basically guaranteed, unless cabal picks wrong element and tower picks right. Choosing dark eliminates both, and if it's dark v. light, that two-point difference works in favor of the cabal e'en more than usual on a role designed to counter dark mages.

You need...what, four assists to roughly even a battle, elements non-considered?

You don't need PRs to win a game of mafia...but there's a battle, not a lynch.

[Mephansteras]

Yeah, the issue in this case is that the Celestial Mage is supposed to be an interesting anti-Cabal wizard, but right now he's really not good at doing anything other then not assisting them. I don't think the Celestial Mage needs to be particularly powerful, but I don't want them to be useless either.

[Neruz]

It might be worth looking at toning down the Cabal stat boosts to +1 across the board, instead of +2, since the latter is a huge advantage, and if the Cabal land a battle role without a Justicar in the game, well...

[webadict]

Yeah, the issue in this case is that the Celestial Mage is supposed to be an interesting anti-Cabal wizard, but right now he's really not good at doing anything other then not assisting them. I don't think the Celestial Mage needs to be particularly powerful, but I don't want them to be useless either.

It's still a power role as it is, and it's fine the way it is.

[CobaltKobold]

It might be worth looking at toning down the Cabal stat boosts to +1 across the board, instead of +2, since the latter is a huge advantage, and if the Cabal land a battle role without a Justicar

grey mage.

[Neruz]

It might be worth looking at toning down the Cabal stat boosts to +1 across the board, instead of +2, since the latter is a huge advantage, and if the Cabal land a battle role without a Justicar

grey mage.

Shaddup Shaddup Shaddup Shaddup.

[Mr.Person]

Yeah, the issue in this case is that the Celestial Mage is supposed to be an interesting anti-Cabal wizard, but right now he's really not good at doing anything other then not assisting them. I don't think the Celestial Mage needs to be particularly powerful, but I don't want them to be useless either.

It's still a power role as it is, and it's fine the way it is.

Actually, the Celestial mage is just really poor at doing his one and only job: Killing dark wizards. I liked the idea suggested awhile back where Light is good against Dark but deals half damage to anything else. Dark should also do half damage to a Light wizard, although normal damage if they use a normal element. That would be more of a nerf, generally, but they really should CRUSH Dark Cabal wizards, especially if they attack with Darkness.

[Mephansteras]

Not a bad idea.

And I think I'll change the rules so that Light and Dark mages can't explicitly use their power. They'll have to mask it. I don't want it to be easy to get confirmed Tower wizards.

[SHAD0Wdump]

And I think I'll change the rules so that Light and Dark mages can't explicitly use their power. They'll have to mask it. I don't want it to be easy to get confirmed Tower wizards.

Except for final battles,my jaw drops at the epicness of a fight between pure light and pure darkness for the title of High Mage.