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Warlord255

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Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« on: September 07, 2009, 12:08:59 pm »
Very simple. When engraving, an image cannot be repeated within the same designated room.

This helps alleviate the problem of "dwarves and dwarves, founding of fortress" engravings being too common, while not removing dwarves' individuality in choice of engravings.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 12:33:18 pm »
But how do you define room?
Unless you're defining them specifically by chairs/tables/whathaveyou, there's no way to define that, and engravings certainly happen outside of rooms.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 12:42:09 pm »
Very true, but I agree with the OP, having "The dwarf is surrounded of the dwaves. Relates to the ascention of leadership..." x20 is boring. Maybe each historical event could only be engraved once, at least until all historical events are used at least once?

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing more generic engravings. Things like squares and stars should be reserved for low-quality engravings(like they are now) but having Waves/Carp/Dragons should at least be available for masterful engravings...
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 12:50:52 pm »
It seems that the engravings available to a fortress has to do with its site. Probably what's been recorded for that place in legends.

If you embark on a orc/goblin/whatever town, then engrave, you'll get a ton of "Orc striking down dwarf", "Orc shooting dwarf", "Orcs are travelling", and whatnot.

On the other hand, if you embark in the middle of nowhere, the only piece of history at the beginning would be the founding and ascension of the leader.

At least, that's what I've observed.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 12:56:16 pm »
How about simply not having similar engravings adjacent to each other? It's less vague than "within the same room," and you'd still get a lot of repeats, but it would still be an improvement.

Alternate suggestion: The chance of any historical event being engraved is lowered slightly for every engraving of the same event at the fortress.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 01:04:04 pm »
I think those would probably be a pain to code (seeing as you'd have to apply a value to every event in legends/ones at the site or make code to check every surrounding engraving).

I think an easier alternative would just be more specific descriptions. For example, currently, the norm for any non-fatal battle would be "X is standing over Y. Y is crying" or something to that effect. It could be "X is standing over Y. X is holding the severed <body part> of Y", because legends records those. Then, all we'd need to do is lower the prominence of ascensions (or make several variants of descriptions for it, like speaking, cheering, saluting, etc.) and we'd have a very healthy variety of engravings.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 01:27:32 pm »
I'm a fan of dwarves only engraving every event/item/etc once until everything has been engraved. That way you only get 1 dwarf founding, and 1 for every dwarf that came to live there. A lot of the pictures would be for battles, since lots happen there, which seems to fit dwarves quite well.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 01:41:57 pm »
Quote from: jaybud4 on September 07, 2009, 12:33:18 pm
But how do you define room?
Unless you're defining them specifically by chairs/tables/whathaveyou, there's no way to define that, and engravings certainly happen outside of rooms.

Defined from an object. That said, it might be easier to just reduce the prominence of founding engravings.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 01:55:18 pm »
I have an addition to your suggestion: Maybe a room should mostly be engravings of the owner or maybe things that person likes?
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 02:18:29 pm »
Sometimes though you might want a room full of, at least, similar engravings. Perfect example being your drowning chamber being engraved with images of <insert race here> drowning. Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen with the current system anyway so changes do need to be made.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 02:42:00 pm »
Quote from: Vattic on September 07, 2009, 02:18:29 pm
Sometimes though you might want a room full of, at least, similar engravings. Perfect example being your drowning chamber being engraved with images of <insert race here> drowning. Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen with the current system anyway so changes do need to be made.
The computer will never be able to recognize a drowning chamber. and that's the reason why we need the ability to determine which engravings will be made where. Of course, the engraver's choice will be the standard, but it's impossible to predict what the player is trying to accomplish or to roleplay.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 03:11:11 pm »
But is it too complicated to start adding in engraving sphere options, so that you could tell them to engrave water sphere things in one specific area (the drowning chamber)? Obviously not the norm, but is it worth the time to even implement it?
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 04:52:27 pm »
And here I've been assuming that adjacent, generally same engravings, are murals spanning multiple tiles. How silly am I!
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 02:57:32 am »
Quote from: neek on September 07, 2009, 04:52:27 pm
And here I've been assuming that adjacent, generally same engravings, are murals spanning multiple tiles. How silly am I!

This is how I see it.

I'd like an option to have scenes of the dead dwarf carved around his coffin. Even if its just stuff he likes, and how he died.
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Re: Engravings: No Repeats In One Room
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 07:45:04 am »
Quote from: neek on September 07, 2009, 04:52:27 pm
And here I've been assuming that adjacent, generally same engravings, are murals spanning multiple tiles. How silly am I!

AS long as they're all the same quality, I'm content with this too.

However I rarely put engraving adjacent to each other. Too cluttered.
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