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Author Topic: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 3, Need One Replacement!  (Read 22437 times)

Mr.Person

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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2009, 01:56:28 am »

Hey, darkarian, I'd like to remind you that you're really supposed to be looking for the merc. Any reason you forgot about that little detail?
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dakarian

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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2009, 02:19:56 am »

First off, the threats against the town is much softer.  There's one killing role, being controlled by Aria so that's the biggest threat.  The aim should be on the merc since that'll end the Televan's power.  Kill the Televan first and you get, essentually, a SK that desperately needs kills.

Funny that you forgot that I already commented on the merc all by himself, especially since you replied to that post.  The most recent post was to talk about the REST of the game since that'll be what determines the flow of how these days will go. 

As for how to FIND the merc, he'll be pretty quiet, but desperate for a vote.

Fakeedit:  Wait. Servant, does the merc get credit if he votes on someone that gets banned?  That was in the original and I notice the text is gone.

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Pandarsenic

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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2009, 03:58:07 am »

Cheeetar, that was my semirandom vote, but I'm going to unvote him because Mr.Person's answer to a question about who he would troll pissed me off. >:[
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2009, 05:47:22 am »

Fakeedit:  Wait. Servant, does the merc get credit if he votes on someone that gets banned?

No.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2009, 07:10:05 am »

Meh.  Ruined my plans.

I was hoping that aspect was still in.  That way you could watch for someone trying to slip into a bandwagon.  Instead, he's probably trying to lay low since all he'll care about is receiving orders and, thus, have the least reason to bother scumhunting.

Which leads me back to Leafsnail.  I randomvoted you with a quick poke at your comment about the power role list.  Now I'm done with being random.  You havn't done very much of ANYTHING so far and pretty much just posted when someone pokes at you.

So, *poke poke poke*.  How do you plan on winning this?

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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2009, 12:16:49 pm »

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Which leads me back to Leafsnail.  I randomvoted you with a quick poke at your comment about the power role list.  Now I'm done with being random.  You havn't done very much of ANYTHING so far and pretty much just posted when someone pokes at you.
Surviving, I guess, and attempting to track down the Merc, the player who could stop me dead.

I suspect Pandarsenic of having this role.  In addition to, firstly, trying to lynch someone claiming a Power Role that would be detrimental to the merc, he has also planted what is effectively an OMGUS vote on Mr.Person.  I also FoS Toonyman as he has not been helpful either, and hasn't contributed for quite a while.

The main reason I'm worried about the merc is the Nation of Aria.  In addition to controlling the merc they also have the pseud, who can work out targets to kill.  Dragonfhain are possibly less dangerous, as neither of their roles would involve preventing me winning.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2009, 12:45:41 pm »

Well, they do have a psuedo, which should at least prevent a town death or two, so there's that.

I liked Dakarian's first response, but now I'm not liking his second one where he insists the merc would lay low. So I would, in fact, troll Dakarian. Sorry Pandarsenic, I know how much you LOVE being trolled, especially after the first round.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2009, 01:12:30 pm »

I question your argument.

You suspect that Pandarsenic was trying to kill the Theo to avoid being caught.  However, a few things mess up that argument.

1. Theo have a hard time determining the merc.  Theos look at the believe if a player.  Mercs would show as Athiest but so would Radicals and the Cabal.  Theos are best off hunting religious for whoever picks them up.

For the record: FBI is the most dangerous to the merc.  All it takes is one blocked kill and FBI will have him nabbed.

2. Last game, the 'claimed theo' turned out to be a Zealot in disguise.  Claiming Theo again leaves us stuck in an ugly WIFOM, though it's only a problem if we're suspecting that it's the merc.


Lastly, why did I have to fling a vote on you to get that out?  It leaves the scent of just starting to clean your room while calling out "I've been cleaning all day.  I'm almost done!"  The merc has the least reason to get involved...unless someone *pokes* at them.. then they respond rather quickly.

@Person

Why WOULDN'T the merc stay low?  It's a SK that only needs 3 kills so long as the Televan is around.  He has no true enemies to kill and, thus, NO reason to lynch.  Even his rival, the FBI, is dealt with so long as he can make those three kills. 

As for the Psuedo.. it's a help so long as he can find a rival religion.  However, they won't hold back a kill for it.  If they don't command the merc to attack the merc will hit randomly.  They'll rather choose a possible agnostic than possibly get sniped.  So that's one possible town death with the chance of at least 2 more. 

So what part of that is wrong in my argument, and how does that make me the merc?
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2009, 01:14:15 pm »

Glares at Mr.Person
Yeah, fun and excitement.

Leafsnail: What are you talking about? Do you mean when I suspected there was a Zealot gambit (like last game) before I realized there were no Zealots and EBWOP'd that away?

And why are you so convinced Aria is going to try killing you with the Merc? Keep in mind, they only have three kills with him.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2009, 01:18:11 pm »

Keep in mind, they only have three kills with him.

Considering the fact that most mafia games don't get much past day 4, I think it's safe to say that their "limited" number of kills won't hold them back.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2009, 01:25:57 pm »

Yes, but Dragonfhain has a Prophet and a backup Evangelist. That means that they need at least two hits on the right members of that religion to gain a decisive advantage; even if they take out one Evan and one Prophet, if the Dragon Evan keeps converting Aria's converts, they may be locked for days.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2009, 01:34:08 pm »

@Person

Why WOULDN'T the merc stay low?  It's a SK that only needs 3 kills so long as the Televan is around.  He has no true enemies to kill and, thus, NO reason to lynch.  Even his rival, the FBI, is dealt with so long as he can make those three kills. 

As for the Psuedo.. it's a help so long as he can find a rival religion.  However, they won't hold back a kill for it.  If they don't command the merc to attack the merc will hit randomly.  They'll rather choose a possible agnostic than possibly get sniped.  So that's one possible town death with the chance of at least 2 more. 

So what part of that is wrong in my argument, and how does that make me the merc?

I didn't think you really were the merc, but now you've overreacted to what can best be called a pathetic argument. If you had just called me on my bullshit, I would of been satisfied. Instead, you tried to crush my "argument" into the ground. What do the rest of you guys take on this? I'm thinking Dakarian is the merc, although he could also just be religious.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2009, 02:18:53 pm »

Mr.Person is right there. Dakarian is definitely looking jumpy. So, I you a Merc or a religious?
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2009, 04:25:46 pm »

I realized one possible problem in the rules which I will fix:

If the Televangelist orders the Merc to kill himself, the Merc will reject such an order. Instead, the Merc would be free to kill whomever he will that night, as if there was no Televangelist.
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Re: Religion Mafia #2---DAY 1
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2009, 04:36:41 pm »

Unvote.

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1. Theo have a hard time determining the merc.  Theos look at the believe if a player.  Mercs would show as Athiest but so would Radicals and the Cabal.  Theos are best off hunting religious for whoever picks them up.
Yes, but if you lynch one cabal they all go down, so there shouldn't be too much problem there.  Of course, once the Theo is in a religion, they wouldn't mind taking out unconvertables anyway, and taking out the Merc would be a serious bonus.

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For the record: FBI is the most dangerous to the merc.  All it takes is one blocked kill and FBI will have him nabbed.
True, that.  However, an FBI agent isn't gonna claim, so a Theo would be an excellant target.

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2. Last game, the 'claimed theo' turned out to be a Zealot in disguise.  Claiming Theo again leaves us stuck in an ugly WIFOM, though it's only a problem if we're suspecting that it's the merc.
The religions would find out fairly quickly that he's unconvertable, and it would be downhill from there, really.

I personally think that you may be oversimplifying the Merc role a bit.  I don't think he's just an SK who needs a certain number of kills.  His hit list, in order, would be:

1. Whoever the Televan tells him to kill (of course) unless it is himself
2. The FBI Agent, as he's a huge threat
3. Religious power roles, prioritising ones who are a direct threat to him

Anyway, you get the idea.  I agree that Dakarian is overreacting rather a lot.  There are a few reasons I can think of for this.  You could be the Merc, and this to me seems most likely, considering your actions.  I would like an explanation, anyway.
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