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Author Topic: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors  (Read 1091 times)

NewoTigra

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Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« on: September 05, 2009, 03:23:31 pm »

I decided I needed a bit more challenge so I modded in Deinonychus (size 32, no damblock, speed 500) and started a new fort. After a few years a herd of 20-30 Deinonychus arrived at the same time as a siege of 50 orcs (with 3 named ones  ;D).
Deciding that their presence was befouling my map, I sent out my two most badass soldiers, each legendary in several weapons and equipped with masterwork adamantine crossbows.
What follows is an account of the 'skirmish';

Combat Report for 12th Obsidian 423
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*yes, yes it a reference to Jurassic park.
Tl;dr version:
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The raptor did indeed get a name. zasitvagush, KnifeKiller. damn him.

The reason I put this into Modding is because I want to to know;
Roughly how does size affect attack power? Both the soldiers were killed with a single attack, which they failed to dodge.

Yes, I know this might be more appropriate in stories. You don't have to read it. Critique is welcome though.
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bluea

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 03:56:03 pm »

The short version is:

Size is everything.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2009, 04:12:02 pm »

Uh, speed and size are gonna rape you there.

At that speed, your raptors are double the speed of regular dwarves, which also means double the attacks.

32 size is uhhh, aren't vanilla titans/bronze collosi size 20 or 30? I know I usually mod mine to be higher than normal but either way your raptors are larger than megabeasts..

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 03:47:43 pm »

size 32?
A dwarf is size 6
Elephants are only size 16.
and it has the speed of a Unbelievably Agile dwarf.
(speed in the raws works backways, lower is qicker)
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2009, 04:13:23 pm »

And yet a few Champion dwarves in masterwork steel shouldn't have problems with them. They'll be faster and - despite the size difference - stats are just as if not more important. A Perfectly Agile, Superdwarvenly Tough, and Super-Mighty Champion (which is what you'll get [and more] if you train a champion to Legendary Wrestler, Legendary Armor User, Legendary Shield User, and Legendary Weapon User) is faster, stronger, and recovers from wounds much easier. 1 probably won't stand up against 20 of these, but I'd take 4 on 1 most any day.

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2009, 04:37:22 pm »

Whats more they have [CAN_LEARN]

I also modded in T-Rex at size 45, but it has yet to show up. only speed 800 though.

I modded these in because I wanted a challenge (read: Fun)
Also, where's the Fun in giving your military armor? That metal could be used for making weapons.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2009, 04:47:25 pm »

Ah.

That may explain why the raptors ripped them to shreds so easily.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2009, 04:49:08 pm »

Size gives the same benefits as damblock, as well as more damage, better blocking, stronger wrestling, and some other stuff.

Basically, 34 is far too high. Add [CAN_LEARN] and they're overpowered.
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NewoTigra

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2009, 04:55:53 pm »

also there's the fact that they spawn everywhere, in groups of 5-20.

I had  to up the size to compete with the Ender Goblins.
All the local wildlife can 1-hit a legendary soldier and it takes 20 dwarves (at least) to kill a goblin.

I decided to see if I could make a 'it's hard to survive for more than 20 minutes' style world

Sadly magma still kills everything, but then you have to survive for around 10 years in order to build an orbital magma cannon in the first place.

By the time I'm finished building all my defences I can fire on enemies anywhere on the map, and have a decent orbital bombardment / orbital magma cannon at my disposal.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 05:00:11 pm »

[FIREIMMUNE] and remove [STANDARD_FLESH]
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NewoTigra

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2009, 05:14:07 pm »

I could...but I need some way to kill them. You know, aside from having a fortress full of legendary dwarves all kitted out in full masterwork plate.
Magma > Military
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Grendus

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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 06:49:54 pm »

Yea, size is a godstat. Even at orc size of nine is lethal unless you outnumber them or have highly trained and armed dwarves. At size 32, those raptors are about the size of five dwarves standing on top of each other. We're talking the size of a B-12 bomber here, you'll freakin NEED an orbital magma cannon to kill them.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 12:39:22 am »

Here's the damage formula. 

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=37546.0

You'd have to have an attack that could one-shot a dragon to even scratch something at that size.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 04:32:14 pm »

To fight annihilate this threat, you need the two most badass dwarves in my Dwarf Fortress history, Dumed and Zas  ;D. I really should write a story about them. Dumed: over 100 notable kills, Orcs, Cyclops,and Dragons. Enemy of all Orc and Cyclops civs, Zas was too, but he was newer and had less kills.
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Re: Sliding Scale of Strength / Damn Raptors
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 04:33:15 pm »

Morul + Ironblood > Dumed + Zas.
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