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Re: Warhammer 40k
« Reply #2625 on: December 04, 2010, 01:28:03 am »
So, I know next to nothing about 40k, but, the Thousand Suns...they're chaos marines. Are they any good?
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« Reply #2626 on: December 04, 2010, 02:20:13 am »
They turn out extremely expensive points-wise, lack flexibility and move speed, but make up for it with ridiculous anti-heavy infantry firepower (their bolters are armour-piercing enough to ignore regular SM armour, among lots of other things). I'd say it's a toss-up between them and plague marines for my legion of choice.
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« Reply #2627 on: December 04, 2010, 02:40:16 am »
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« Reply #2628 on: December 04, 2010, 02:43:28 am »
Armor piercing and slow. I like it. Uhm. Now I just need to learn how to play 40k.
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« Reply #2629 on: December 04, 2010, 02:45:20 am »
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« Reply #2630 on: December 04, 2010, 03:26:16 am »
I don't know how they are in general, but I went against a thousand suns army earlier today. My opponent ran off in turn four, though I saved the game, but before that, he'd inflicted a grand total of one shaken result on one of my vehicles, and lost two thousand sons, a two obliterators (one squad in this case), all the weapons on one of his rhinos, and his daemon prince. And was about to lose a whole lot more thousand sons or the other obliterator squad, and then either seize or at least contest his objective, while holding mine.


I've been looking through the Witchhunter and Daemonhunter codexes again, and I just realized that an IG army can take inquisitorial stormtroopers, and that these are exactly like IG stormtroopers except they're cheaper and lack the deepstrike and special mission rules. At 10 points a model, with a minimum of five, and a potential two plasma guns at 10 points a piece, witch or daemon hunters' wargear, and a 4+ save, for a unit that's also a troop choice... Not as tough in melee, lacking close combat weapons, but you really shouldn't be assaulting anything with them anyways.

You can also get an Officio Assassinorum operative with an inquisitor or up to three daemonhosts if it's the ordo malleus inquisitor...

And the Callidus assassin is basically (a more expensive and altogether more useful) Marbo, only (apparently) without the "can't be placed within 1" of an enemy when it enters play from reserves" rule, and it can move, shoot, and assault normally in the turn it enters play. And has a special rule allowing it to leave close combat at the beginning of a close combat phase...
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« Reply #2631 on: December 04, 2010, 03:30:47 am »
Quote from: Sir Pseudonymous on December 04, 2010, 03:26:16 am
I've been looking through the Witchhunter and Daemonhunter codexes again, and I just realized that an IG army can take inquisitorial stormtroopers, and that these are exactly like IG stormtroopers except they're cheaper and lack the deepstrike and special mission rules. At 10 points a model, with a minimum of five, and a potential two plasma guns at 10 points a piece, witch or daemon hunters' wargear, and a 4+ save, for a unit that's also a troop choice... Not as tough in melee, lacking close combat weapons, but you really shouldn't be assaulting anything with them anyways.

Problem is, those are some old-ass books, and a proper rules lawyer would point out that the Stormtroopers from the Inquisition Codexes would use 3.5 edition "Hellguns".  Namely, S3 AP5 Hellguns.  Which is a big part of why the ones in the new Guard book are so much more expensive (ludicrously so even).

Which doesn't stop people from combining those hideously outdated books with the new Codex anyway.  Heck, I remember like a month after the new Guard book came out, some guy had already added Vendettas to a Witchhunters army, complete with full Inquisition paintjobs.
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Re: Warhammer 40k
« Reply #2632 on: December 04, 2010, 03:40:09 am »
Thousand Sons are pretty cool, I apparently have to play them because I roll badly with anything else.  A Daemon Prince with Warptime and Winds of Chaos will massacre pretty much any infantry squad you throw it against and 4+ invuln saves all around are cool too.
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« Reply #2633 on: December 04, 2010, 03:45:13 am »
Quote from: Aqizzar on December 04, 2010, 03:30:47 am
Quote from: Sir Pseudonymous on December 04, 2010, 03:26:16 am
I've been looking through the Witchhunter and Daemonhunter codexes again, and I just realized that an IG army can take inquisitorial stormtroopers, and that these are exactly like IG stormtroopers except they're cheaper and lack the deepstrike and special mission rules. At 10 points a model, with a minimum of five, and a potential two plasma guns at 10 points a piece, witch or daemon hunters' wargear, and a 4+ save, for a unit that's also a troop choice... Not as tough in melee, lacking close combat weapons, but you really shouldn't be assaulting anything with them anyways.

Problem is, those are some old-ass books, and a proper rules lawyer would point out that the Stormtroopers from the Inquisition Codexes would use 3.5 edition "Hellguns".  Namely, S3 AP5 Hellguns.  Which is a big part of why the ones in the new Guard book are so much more expensive (ludicrously so even).

Which doesn't stop people from combining those hideously outdated books with the new Codex anyway.  Heck, I remember like a month after the new Guard book came out, some guy had already added Vendettas to a Witchhunters army, complete with full Inquisition paintjobs.
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to state that they're better versions of veterans, if only slightly, although they can be taken in smaller squads, so you get a 70 point squad with two plasma guns, three slightly improved lasguns (the hell's the range, type, etc on hellguns? I don't have the old rules, and the codex wasn't kind enough to list them ::)... wait, no, the daemon hunter codex does, though it's missing the page that lists how much the wargear costs... >:(), and a 4+ save.
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Re: Warhammer 40k
« Reply #2634 on: December 04, 2010, 05:56:39 am »
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« Reply #2635 on: December 04, 2010, 04:05:23 pm »
For the sake of SCIENCE, I decided to play a pickup game with someone playing yiff marines, and believe I have conclusively proven that the only people who play yiff marines are complete fucktards, log spoilered for size, scroll to the end for the worst of it.

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Quote from: Urist is dead tome on January 23, 2011, 12:59:07 am
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« Reply #2636 on: December 04, 2010, 04:09:17 pm »
Quote from: Sir Pseudonymous on December 04, 2010, 03:45:13 am
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to state that they're better versions of veterans, if only slightly, although they can be taken in smaller squads, so you get a 70 point squad with two plasma guns, three slightly improved lasguns (the hell's the range, type, etc on hellguns? I don't have the old rules, and the codex wasn't kind enough to list them ::)... wait, no, the daemon hunter codex does, though it's missing the page that lists how much the wargear costs... >:(), and a 4+ save.

As long as you're going to be so open about where you're getting your books, there is a version with the missing page added.  The Hellguns work just like Lasguns, they just AP5.  However, Stormtroopers of all stripes used to have "targeters", which 40K dropped because they're so unworkable.  Basically, you use Stormtroopers last in the Shooting phase, and they can measure distance to any targets before deciding what to shoot at.  Yeah.
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« Reply #2637 on: December 04, 2010, 04:34:12 pm »
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Quote from: Sir Pseudonymous on December 04, 2010, 03:45:13 am
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to state that they're better versions of veterans, if only slightly, although they can be taken in smaller squads, so you get a 70 point squad with two plasma guns, three slightly improved lasguns (the hell's the range, type, etc on hellguns? I don't have the old rules, and the codex wasn't kind enough to list them ::)... wait, no, the daemon hunter codex does, though it's missing the page that lists how much the wargear costs... >:(), and a 4+ save.

As long as you're going to be so open about where you're getting your books, there is a version with the missing page added.  The Hellguns work just like Lasguns, they just AP5.  However, Stormtroopers of all stripes used to have "targeters", which 40K dropped because they're so unworkable.  Basically, you use Stormtroopers last in the Shooting phase, and they can measure distance to any targets before deciding what to shoot at.  Yeah.
"It's missing a page" is being open about where I got it? I'm pretty sure I've been a hell of a lot more open about how I get all the codexes, and even argued in favor of it on the grounds that most of them are absolute shit and absurdly priced (in the range of "makes wizards of the coast look sane and cheap in comparison"; the main rulebook is $60 :o), but you need the reference in case you play against someone using them. Also, found one with the missing page...

Edit: Ironically, the Games Workshop site would appear to have the witch and daemon hunter codexes available for download, though only for people who register an account on the site. I assume they're free, as I'd expect a "Download right now (CONVENIENCE!) for only twice the price of a hardcopy!" page rather than one that says "Please log in to access this", especially considering who we're talking about...
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« Reply #2638 on: December 05, 2010, 10:52:37 pm »
Wait, are we talking about the actual 40k game?
Or some other game?
Never heard of a Hell gun in 40k, unless maybe the Chaos Marines or the Dark Elders are on the technology move...
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« Reply #2639 on: December 05, 2010, 11:17:19 pm »
Hellguns are like nastier lasguns. It's an Imperial weapon.
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