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[Cthulhu]

Sure, 1000 would be cool.

[Vertigon]

I don't play WH40K, I just paint models. As in, my friends will pass along models that they want painted, and some rudimentary guidelines, and I paint them. Then I go watch them play with my babies. I fucking love it.

[Burnt Pies]

Funnily enough, that's what my mum does.

I have around 2k points of Eldar and 1k points of Witch Hunters for this very reason.

[Aqizzar]

The HQs have a 2+ Invuln save that goes away forever the first time they fail it.

The 2+ invuln saves on their ICs is pretty tough but again, it sounds like the best medicine for DE is lots of cheap, weak troops.

Point of order, only Archons can take the Shadowfield, and they're not free.  On the subject though, holy balls do these equipment catalogs read like bad 90s darkfic comics.  Ghostplate, Vexator Masks, Casket of Flensing, Huskblades, Electrocorosives, motherfucking Darklight.  What the royal fudgepacking Helsing are you trying to tell me?

On the subject of strategies, the old treasure trove of advice at The Fighting Tigers is an excellent example of a previous-edition Deldar army that worked as best as the codex allowed.  Basically, huge mobs of Warriors and Wyches get into the enemy's teeth, while an IC (Haemonculus in this case) opens a Webway box and spits out three Taloses in the middle of the battleline.  It revolved around the fact that Warriors were about as good at melee as shooting (that is, they sucked at both), and just tried to mob the enemy with more close combat threats than it could stand.

This new version gives them more options yeah, but they still have the same basic shortcomings, in fragility and lack of good anti-vehicle firepower.  So yeah, the Imperial Guard finally have a contemporary enemy they can expect to trounce routinely.  Leman Russ may not even be necessary; some siege guns would work fine against any Lances in the opening salvo, and then the rest of the game is mop-up.  If the Guard gets the first turn, the Deldar might not even reach their lines.  And Hydra Flakkers were purpose-built for chewing up Raiders.

Other good options: Tyranids, for most of the same reasons, in just swamping the Deldar and being equals in melee.  Classic Eldar for bringing even stupider amounts of firepower and having many matching close combat options.  Possibly Tau, since their two big strengths are knocking down vehicles and light infantry.  And certain varieties of Orks, as long as they have good enough numbers compared to wasted potential.

For shits and giggles, I'd love to run a 1000 point list with a Haemonculus, some fire support, and six squads of ten Wracks each.  I call it the DOrkDar plan.

In more pertinent news - it's motherfucking Grimsgiving Vacation!  Yeah!  Here's my new Eldar list, for online gamin'.

Spoiler: Dead Men Walking (click to show/hide)

Code: [Select]

- 1998pts
HQ
Farseer - 78pts
Singing Spear, Guide - 23

Elites
Striking Scorpions - 10 Models - 197pts
Exarch w/ Chainsabers, Shadowstrike - 37

Troops
Wraithguard - 10 Models + Seer - 391pts
Warlock w/ Spiritseer, Destructor - 41

Wraithguard - 10 Models + Seer - 391pts
Warlock w/ Spiritseer, Destructor - 41

Rangers - 8 Models - 192pts
Pathfinders - 40

Rangers - 8 Models - 192pts
Pathfinders - 40

Fast Attack
Warp Spiders - 10 Models - 247pts
Exarch w/ Withdraw - 27

Heavy Support
Dark Reapers - 5 Models - 175pts

Wraithlord - 135pts
Missile Launcher, Scatter Laser, 2 Flamers - 45


[userpay]

I'll be around for a few hours for a game if anyones interested, hoping on vassal now.

[Burnt Pies]

November's White Dwarf had an IG vs DEldar battle report, which ended with the IG being thoroughly beaten, so it's not a guaranteed win.

[Cthulhu]

The HQs have a 2+ Invuln save that goes away forever the first time they fail it.

The 2+ invuln saves on their ICs is pretty tough but again, it sounds like the best medicine for DE is lots of cheap, weak troops.

Point of order, only Archons can take the Shadowfield, and they're not free.  On the subject though, holy balls do these equipment catalogs read like bad 90s darkfic comics.  Ghostplate, Vexator Masks, Casket of Flensing, Huskblades, Electrocorosives, motherfucking Darklight.  What the royal fudgepacking Helsing are you trying to tell me?

On the subject of strategies, the old treasure trove of advice at The Fighting Tigers is an excellent example of a previous-edition Deldar army that worked as best as the codex allowed.  Basically, huge mobs of Warriors and Wyches get into the enemy's teeth, while an IC (Haemonculus in this case) opens a Webway box and spits out three Taloses in the middle of the battleline.  It revolved around the fact that Warriors were about as good at melee as shooting (that is, they sucked at both), and just tried to mob the enemy with more close combat threats than it could stand.

This new version gives them more options yeah, but they still have the same basic shortcomings, in fragility and lack of good anti-vehicle firepower.  So yeah, the Imperial Guard finally have a contemporary enemy they can expect to trounce routinely.  Leman Russ may not even be necessary; some siege guns would work fine against any Lances in the opening salvo, and then the rest of the game is mop-up.  If the Guard gets the first turn, the Deldar might not even reach their lines.  And Hydra Flakkers were purpose-built for chewing up Raiders.

Other good options: Tyranids, for most of the same reasons, in just swamping the Deldar and being equals in melee.  Classic Eldar for bringing even stupider amounts of firepower and having many matching close combat options.  Possibly Tau, since their two big strengths are knocking down vehicles and light infantry.  And certain varieties of Orks, as long as they have good enough numbers compared to wasted potential.

For shits and giggles, I'd love to run a 1000 point list with a Haemonculus, some fire support, and six squads of ten Wracks each.  I call it the DOrkDar plan.

In more pertinent news - it's motherfucking Grimsgiving Vacation!  Yeah!  Here's my new Eldar list, for online gamin'.

Spoiler: Dead Men Walking (click to show/hide)

Code: [Select]

- 1998pts
HQ
Farseer - 78pts
Singing Spear, Guide - 23

Elites
Striking Scorpions - 10 Models - 197pts
Exarch w/ Chainsabers, Shadowstrike - 37

Troops
Wraithguard - 10 Models + Seer - 391pts
Warlock w/ Spiritseer, Destructor - 41

Wraithguard - 10 Models + Seer - 391pts
Warlock w/ Spiritseer, Destructor - 41

Rangers - 8 Models - 192pts
Pathfinders - 40

Rangers - 8 Models - 192pts
Pathfinders - 40

Fast Attack
Warp Spiders - 10 Models - 247pts
Exarch w/ Withdraw - 27

Heavy Support
Dark Reapers - 5 Models - 175pts

Wraithlord - 135pts
Missile Launcher, Scatter Laser, 2 Flamers - 45


Join the party, bro.  We've got a room in Vassal and shit is off the hook.

[userpay]

Dammit, turns out classes were canceled or something. Ah can play for the rest of the evening.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

And I didn't save, because you seemed set on not finishing that game...

[Aqizzar]

In more pertinent news - it's motherfucking Grimsgiving Vacation!  Yeah!  Here's my new Eldar list, for online gamin'.
Dead Men Walking

Join the party, bro.  We've got a room in Vassal and shit is off the hook.

Spoiler: The Dead Men's Parade (click to show/hide)

That light green speck at the bottom?  That's my one and only remaining model after six turns, a Dark Reaper who cleared a Leadership test with a perfect 2.  Everything else is dead.  Everything.  Although I did manage to slaughter Cthulhu's Chosen and a squad of Rubric Marines.

Cthulhu, true to form, is officially marked for greatness by Tzeentch as the dice almost never failed for him or succeeded for me.  That remaining guy also got awesome evil grouphugs and went on to have lots of awesome adventures as the bitter sole survivor of a dying Craftworld.  Stories to come.

Back in the saddle again, and it feels so good.

[Cthulhu]

It makes sense, really.  If you think about it, Tzeentch is chaos.  The other gods don't personify the warp like Tzeentch.  Chaos is Change.

Another stunning revelation that hit me a while ago is that Nurgle isn't the god of death, he's a chaosified god of life.  His diseases are the most efficient lifeform in the galaxy.  He's also friendly.  Beasts of Nurgle are full of enthusiasm and just want to play.  Great Unclean Ones are like big ugly uncles to the daemons they lead.

[Smitehappy]

It makes sense, really.  If you think about it, Tzeentch is chaos.  The other gods don't personify the warp like Tzeentch.  Chaos is Change.

Another stunning revelation that hit me a while ago is that Nurgle isn't the god of death, he's a chaosified god of life.  His diseases are the most efficient lifeform in the galaxy.  He's also friendly.  Beasts of Nurgle are full of enthusiasm and just want to play.  Great Unclean Ones are like big ugly uncles to the daemons they lead.

Doesn't Nurgle also have the Eldar god of healing tied in the warp somewhere?

[Cthulhu]

Yes, he rescued her from Slaanesh and keeps her in a cage in his inner sanctum.  He feeds her his diseases and if he likes what he sees he'll pour it into realspace.  She can heal the diseases and tells mortals how.

[NewsMuffin]

And Khorne is the god of the will to survive. I don't exactly remember my reasoning, and I know I'm not the only one to come to this conclusion, but it has something to do with the instinct of fight or flight, and how Khorne chose the fight part.

Slaanesh is the god of feeling and emotion, not just endless orgies of fun and needles mutilation. Slaanesh represents mankind's need for sensation and excitement. If you think about it, Slaanesh could be the king of the chaos gods, because followers of Khorne find excitement in battle, while followers of Tzeentch find excitement in knowledge, and followers of Nurgle find excitement in life.

But that's preposterous.
And heretical.

[Smitehappy]

Does anyone else always try to change the way they pronounce Tzeentch in honor of his preference for change or am I just a crazy bastard?