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[Aqizzar]

What are you spending most of your time on that you want to short-cut past here?

I'm not convinced that, especially with sleepers too pathetic to be game changing from the start, that would affect gameplay that much.  Which is part of why I think it's a great idea.  Considering that some of the background options specifically mention already controlling groups of people, starting off with a few recruits and "sleepers" gives the impression that you've actually been doing something prior to the start of the game, and didn't just spring up Athena-like on January 1 saying "today's the day I take over the world!".  Well, moreso than the stat effects do anyway.  That's part of why I always take the option that generates a sleeper lawyer, it feels more human.

Definitely an optional start of course, but it's worth trying.

[ihateturnips]

Trying to compile svn rev 334 (latest at time of writing) on OSX and fails here:

Code: [Select]

sitemode/sitemap.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void configSiteUnique::build()’:
sitemode/sitemap.cpp:1239: error: template argument for ‘template<class _Alloc> class std::allocator’ uses local type ‘configSiteUnique::build()::coordinates’
sitemode/sitemap.cpp:1239: error:   trying to instantiate ‘template<class _Alloc> class std::allocator’
sitemode/sitemap.cpp:1239: error: template argument 2 is invalid
sitemode/sitemap.cpp:1239: error: invalid type in declaration before ‘,’ token


I can fix that, it's an error introduced in 3.00.3. Do previous versions work correctly?

Not tried any other 4.0.x versions but 3.19.4 compiles fine.  Which revision would you have me check out?

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[Capital Fish]

I'm not sure I like the idea of sleepers at the start. I like starting off alone. If you do decide to make this change, please make it optional.

[Leafsnail]

What are you spending most of your time on that you want to short-cut past here?

I'm not convinced that, especially with sleepers too pathetic to be game changing from the start, that would affect gameplay that much.  Which is part of why I think it's a great idea.  Considering that some of the background options specifically mention already controlling groups of people, starting off with a few recruits and "sleepers" gives the impression that you've actually been doing something prior to the start of the game, and didn't just spring up Athena-like on January 1 saying "today's the day I take over the world!".  Well, moreso than the stat effects do anyway.  That's part of why I always take the option that generates a sleeper lawyer, it feels more human.

Definitely an optional start of course, but it's worth trying.

Hence why, in my story, the idea for the group was suddenly and irreversibly triggered by a misjudged "2 people can't change the world..." comment .  I've always wondered why the answer to all the nations problems just suddenly appeared out of the air for the starting character.

Starting with a group might, to some extent, make sense.  It would imply you've already being doing things beforehand, rather than having been suddenly bitten by the Liberal Bug.  Although perhaps the "Surviving alone" should just significantly toughen up your one starting character, and leave you with no other characters.

[Michael]

I'm not sure I like the idea of sleepers at the start. I like starting off alone. If you do decide to make this change, please make it optional.

Perhaps the pre-loaded party members could be an advantage you choose at the 18th Birthday question, replacing the "stole a Security Uniform" option.  (That option is so much weaker than the other choices -- if you take the $1000, you can buy a crowbar, liberate some garment workers, have them make you one, and still have cash left over.)

The occupations of the pre-loaded members could still vary based on other choices.

[Megaman]

if you where where to replace the uniform one with this you'll have to make it have I made friends with an army Vetran OR a soldier OR a cop. Then I would pick it.

[E. Albright]

Hence why, in my story, the idea for the group was suddenly and irreversibly triggered by a misjudged "2 people can't change the world..." comment .  I've always wondered why the answer to all the nations problems just suddenly appeared out of the air for the starting character.

The journey of a thousand miles, and all that jazz. The LCS is effectively a political cult, and the founder is a messianic figure therein. They're not joining an existing political movement (those aren't *real*, you know?), they're creating a fanatical insurgent group from scratch. From an anti-grind design perspective starting with cadre can make sense, but from a "story" perspective you're just pushing back the moment when The Founder decided, alone and unsupported, to overthrow the status quo ante.

[Megaman]

lets say he started supporting ti a month before his birthday and was recruiting some men .

[Zangi]

Maybe its just mine, but opening screen statistic of the game is blocked by the copyright and Bay12 logo and website thingy.

[Carlos Gustavos]

Here's a windows 98 version in case someone else wants one too.
http://www.2shared.com/file/7637345/f4212f0f/lcs_win32_4003.html

[Zangi]

Also, political violence....  the polls are all over the freaking place...

Sometimes I see 0%, sometimes its at 50% and sometimes its at 20%....

Thats within 1 month.  (Checking polls with a person with level 1 skill in computer.)

Everything else is consistent...

[Nicpon]

Maybe its just mine, but opening screen statistic of the game is blocked by the copyright and Bay12 logo and website thingy.

Not just you, me. to.

Flaming Liberal Judge still doesn't belive that I escaped prison in self defence.

[cowofdoom78963]

Hey cool a new version, I noticed something odd though:

Is that normal? Somehow the cruiser is from the future...

[Jonathan S. Fox]

That's pretty normal, actually. January is probably too early, but car manufacturers regularly add one to the model year of their vehicles to avoid them looking old and busted. LCS takes this into account when assigning model years to its cars.

Edit: In other words, a 2010 police cruiser actually came out in 2009, and the Conservative Corporate manufacturer is just lying about it.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Windows download (including 4.00.1 - 4.00.4 fixes):
http://www.jonathansfox.com/lcs/lcs_win32_4004.zip

-Made flag burning based on pure free speech (it's not a violent act, and political violence shouldn't be tied to issues).
-Made sleepers not get whiny and quit spreading the good word after disband.
-Made sleepers have 100% effectiveness during disband. Just to make your life easier. And also to fix the aforementioned problem where they'd get whiny and quit.
-Fixed bug that would arrest sleeper lawyers that fail their check to defend you pro bono.
-Fixed bug where crack houses weren't upgradable.
-Fixed bug with the display of the opening screen.
-Fixed bug where only the founder would age on disband.
-Fixed bug where game would hang on victory/defeat.
-Hopefully got Linux/OSX compiling working again.

-Expanded the effects of the final question in character generation:

Choice A (professional thief)
+Starts in downtown apartment
+$1200 (one month rent)

Choice B (gang member)
+Starts in crack house (works like an extra warehouse)
+Starts with a crew of four armed gang members
+Starts with 10 days of rations in the crack house

Choice C (college student)
+Starts in university district apartment
+$650 (one month rent)

Choice D (high school dropout)
+Starts in homeless shelter
+1 to all stats except Wisdom

Choice E (political activist)
+Starts in industrial tenement
+$200 (one month rent)
+50 starting juice

These are a "first draft" of an expanded/accelerated start. It's not aimed at balance, but rather, for the feel of the different characters. Only one of these gives you extra starting characters, but that's because it's the only one where it was really obvious what would be useful to the player. I have no objection to giving other ones starting characters as well, but I'd want to leave at least options A and D as "loner" starts. Discussion and suggestions are encouraged.

I'd like to tackle political violence, but I don't have time before classes start tomorrow. I will have to see what my schedule looks like through this first week of class; it's possible I'll be up for another release or two, but most likely my activity is going to drop off for awhile as I focus on school work.