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September 11th
« on: September 02, 2009, 02:12:13 pm »

On September 11th, 2009, all Americans will commerate a national tragedy. This day marked a terrible day in American history, where thousands of Americans died due to "the forces of evil", as some commentaors may say. I know that all Americans will say in unsion "They hate us for our freedom, so we must hate them back. We will never forget the mass massacre that was committed on this fateful day. They may have defeated us that day, but we will prevail."

I am, of course, talking about the Battle of Brandywine. Estimates of this vary, with lowest estimates being 300 American troops, and higher estimates being between 1,160 and 1,260. Americans lost this battle against British hegomonical control, which led to the capture of Pennsaylvia, the capital of the fledging American resistance. This was a deveasting blow, but America recovered from this battle and eventually defeated Britian years later.

But the scar of being defeated still live with America to this very day. Many Americans had great-great-great-grandparents who died on that day, and the horror stories where innocent American military troops getting murdered by "redcoats of tyranny" are constanly retold.

During the 1978 commeration of the Battle of Brandywine, one of the organizers of the event, Arthur Nobel, said this: "On this day, many Americans died to defend the social contract and democracy. Such a tragedy cannot be forgotten, because when it is forgotten, the ideals of democracy would be forgotten." Arthur Nobel is best known for spearheading the "Campaign Against British Tyranny", which called on Great Britain to apologize to the American people for the "crimes against democracy", like the Stamp Act, the Boston Massacre, and the Battle of Brandywine. It has also called upon Great Britain to pay monetary reparations to the United States, "in order to help the healing process".

In 1981, during the Great London Protest, thousands of Americans arrived at Buckingham Palace on Sept. 11th, and chanted the words: "Justice, Justice, Justice." One of the keynote speakers said "When people die, we must commerate their deaths. This Battle has caused a stain in our nation's history, a stain that will not heal. But we must attempt to recover, we must continue to fight in their name against Great Britain. If we do not, then dictators all over the world can think that they can go out and suppress the forces of democracy, and that their children, and their children's childern, can go about their own business without any sort of impunity."

In 1985, a rift occured in the Campaign Against British Tyranny movement. The extermist Thomas Armstrong, descendant of the John Armstrong which fought in this battle, advocated for America to launch sanctions against Great Britain unlike Great Britian "give into the demands of justice". Arthur Nobel argued against extermism stating, "There is no need for sanctions. There are many democratic forces in England, who sympathize with our struggle. Sanctions will only harm these people. We must not fight injustice with injustice. We shall fight injustice with justice."

In 1998, the current head of the Campagin Against British Tyranny movement, Barker Thomas, said, "We were not given adeqaute compensation when America was granted independence. We deserved independence. That was our right. But the crimes and horrors that Great Britain done, from the quartering of troops to the terrible disaster at Brandywine, all these crimes must be held into account.

It is true that Great Britian is today working for democracy. It is our ally. But we cannot forgive and forget the horrors and violence it has done as part of an attempt to form an imperialist hegomony. Great Britain has committed crimes, and it must be held to account. If we do not...then we encourage others to commit these crimes. And we must not do such a thing."

You can already tell I am supportive of this Campaign Against British Tyranny. But that's because most Americans are. The demands for "liberty and justice for all" still rings in America today, and as long as there is "injustice", people will continue to struggle for "justice", no matter how long ago the crime was, no matter how bizzare the struggle is to outsiders. This is an important issue which must guide American foreign policy, no matter how many people call on Americans to focus on other problems such as economic collaspe, the rapidly aging population, and global warming.

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Re: September 11th
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 02:14:41 pm »

But how can they hate us for our freedom? They're so evil!
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 02:15:41 pm »

Hmm, interesting that.  I'd have to agree with the general sentiment, that you shouldn't hold the crimes of people against their country/ race/ religion.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 02:25:45 pm »

September 11 is the date of a terrorist attack in the WTC, of course.

It is also the anniversary of nazi massacres in ghettos in Poland, 1943

Adittionally, it marks the sacking of Santiago de Chile by native americans in 1541, and Pinochet's coup de etat in 1973, also in Santiago de Chile.


Personally it is more relevant that I have to pay university next september 11th

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Re: September 11th
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 02:30:29 pm »

I knew that.  I haven't been living down a hole for the past 8 years :P.

For a long list of events that happened on the day, I suppose you could consult wikipedia's page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11th
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 02:57:46 pm »

It also appears to be the 2000th anniversary of the Battle of Teutoberg Forest... and, on a sadder note, the death of Anna Lindh.

EDIT:  Erm... not the 2000th anniversary of the death of Anna Lindh.  That was much more recent.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 03:03:15 pm »

One of the worst is the bombing raid on Durmstadt in World War Two, 11,500 dead.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 03:10:54 pm »

Thats like the population of where I live. Theres no reason I can think of that would justify civilian bombing, except they started it. Which is a childish reason.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 03:14:13 pm »

Thats like the population of where I live. Theres no reason I can think of that would justify civilian bombing, except they started it. Which is a childish reason.
It is unfortunate that war factories are not located on front lines and are not manned by civilians.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 03:17:13 pm »

My birthday's on Friday!

And then there's September 11th. So everyone from anywhere near New York seems upset during my birthday.

Thanks, terrorists. You've ruined my birthday forever.

THANKS.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 03:17:26 pm »

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The Darmstadt raid, with its extensive fire destruction and its heavy casualties, was held by the Germans to be an extreme example of RAF 'terror bombing' and is still a sensitive subject because of the absence of any major industries in the city. Bomber Command defended the raid by pointing out the railway communications passing through Darmstadt; the directive for the offensive against German communications had not yet been issued to Bomber Command, although advance notice of the directive may have been received. Darmstadt was simply one of Germany's medium-sized cities of lesser importance which succumbed to Bomber Command's improving area-attack techniques in the last months of the war when many of the larger cities were no longer worth bombing.

From the sounds of that they were target practise.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 03:18:37 pm »

My friend's birthday is November 11th, meaning everyone is fairly downcast then too.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 03:43:38 pm »

9/11 Americans will be offended by this statistic.


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Re: September 11th
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2009, 03:23:54 am »

9/11 Americans will be offended by this statistic.


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Yeah, the 9th of Novermber is such a horrible day isn't it.
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Re: September 11th
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2009, 03:33:43 am »

Tis an English (/European I think?) joke.
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