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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2009, 12:17:42 pm »

The GDI was pubically formed in the Allied campagins of RA1...
It was? I didn't know that. (my version was a 'rip, and was  missing all cutscenes, a tragedy I only understood after I got my original RA2) ((it's ok, I can admit that, since it's freeware now))
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2009, 12:22:18 pm »

LOOK AT THIS! THIS IS FROM TIBERIAN RENEGADE!

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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2009, 12:29:33 pm »

The GDI was pubically formed in the Allied campagins of RA1...
It was? I didn't know that. (my version was a 'rip, and was  missing all cutscenes, a tragedy I only understood after I got my original RA2) ((it's ok, I can admit that, since it's freeware now))

Yes, it was just a minor mention in a cutscene though. The GDI was formed originally to counter the Soviet Union's invasion.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2009, 02:34:36 pm »

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they were still OK by the time of Red Alert 2
no they werent. RA2 was substandard compared to the others.

And nevermind the fact that it lacked an AI, at least at first. The game just built some buildings out of thin air and spawned pregenerated groups of units from them, which went on a straight line to your base.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2009, 05:03:16 pm »

In the backstory of tiberium dawn, it says that GDI were formed after operation desert storm as the public arm of Operations Group Echo: Black Ops 9, which was formed as a counter-terrorist unit and hidden from the public. It was formed after the world wars.
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« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2009, 05:09:02 pm »

Huh. I didn't hear of Group Echo before. So, the GDI couldn't have been formed pubically during WWII since it was only formed as a reaction to the revealation of Group Echo in the 1990's.

So unless we love retconning stuff, the only canonical ending has to be the Russian campagin of RA.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2009, 05:13:00 pm »

Operations group echo itself was only formed after world war two anyway. In any case, generals does not fit either, due to the massive discrepancy in technological states, and the fact that china is a superpower at the end of it, while the USA no longer has much in the way of international importance, which would have been alluded to at the very least.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2009, 07:01:02 pm »

I don't remember where I heard it, possibly here, possibly wikipedia, possibly somewhere else, but I get the impression that the tiberium series and the red alert series are diffrent branches of a split in the timeline. It is my personal opinion that about the time EA started writing the plots completely each timeline split again and spammed propaganda to drown out the canon side of the splits, and has been largely successful in their endevour, though a few select (former) westwood employees were the only humans not deluded by the evil tinkerings of EA... Now we just need to force them to tell us what really should have happened.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2009, 07:10:44 pm »

Next thing you know they'll buy Microsoft and Bungee, and Konami.
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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2009, 07:12:56 pm »

Eventually, there will be EA and Bay 12 . . .
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2009, 07:21:32 pm »

If only one of us can go back in time and convince MJ to donate to toady...
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« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2009, 07:28:02 pm »

Now we just need to force them to tell us what really should have happened.

Actually they did do such a thing. Wikipedia had one of them actually spoke:

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According to former C&C designer Adam "Ishmael" Isgreen, Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn follows the events of Red Alert's Allied campaign,[9] while Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge take place in a parallel universe created by an attempt to alter the past in "Tiberian Incursion",[10] which was known to be the working title of Westwood's cancelled sequel to Tiberian Sun: Firestorm.[11] Isgreen also implied that Nikola Tesla was responsible for attracting the attention of the Scrin through his experiments, and thus for the arrival of Tiberium on Earth.[12]

Still does not explain how GDI was formed after Black Echo when the Allied Campaign mentioned the formation of the GDI first.

Idiot.

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Also, during Red Alert's Allied campaign a newscaster refers to the United Nations having approved "a unique military funding initiative", calling for the formation of a "global defense agency", both vociferous references to the international military alliance of identical naming in Tiberian Dawn, which nonetheless is not featured in Red Alert 2 in any form.

So, GDI wasn't actually formed, just a global defense agency. Newcaster just was referring to Black Echo.

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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2009, 07:29:54 pm »

What about the force that merged during the Giant Ants campaign?
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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2009, 07:37:18 pm »

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What about the force that merged during the Giant Ants campaign?

Is that even canon?

Well, I edited it in that "global defense agency" does not have to refer to GDI.

Also, one problem: C&C1's manual stated that NOD came from Africa. No mention of Kane's involvement in the Soviet Union. And a FMV cut scene in C&C1 showed that Russia was a part of GDI. So, how do we reconcile C&C1's claims?

EDIT: Here's the actual Global Defense Agency quote:

"Allied newscaster: That, in approving a unique military funding initiative aimed at increasing global Allied support. This proposal calls for the formation of a Global Defense agency, to be temporarily established in an as yet unnamed European capital. (Command & Conquer: Red Alert) Westwood Studios, 1996"
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2009, 07:39:53 pm »

Kane, after the death of Stalin, travels to africa, meteor strikes near the Tiber river, thus starts CnC1
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