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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2009, 02:03:56 pm »

You see it only in menu text, I think.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2009, 04:21:26 pm »

As seen here, EA bought out Westwood before even C&C 2
You are confusing 2 different things, by the time EA bought Westwood, TibSun was well underway, indeed by that time they were mostly putting the finishing touches on it and doing QA.
Also,
a)Westwood was quite famous in the day, which meant they could expect some slack.
b)Electronic Arts wasn't always evil, back in the 90s they were still a decent company.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 05:12:07 pm »

And again, you are confusing 2 different things, presenting facts and making statements.

I simply presented facts as an reply to Cerapa, who speculated when was Westwood bought.

Also,
b) They were still money-grabbing capitalists then, only to a lesser degree. You could say less evil, but they still were.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 06:04:02 pm »

And again, you are confusing 2 different things, presenting facts and making statements.
fair enough.  :)

However EA was never evil (nor is it now)- they are exactly what you would expect of a corporation" "money-grabbing capitalists" (sic). and back in early to mid '90s, the video game market was smaller and more hobbyist, so you could get more money from a brand like Westwood, then you could by making a few games quickly. Of course that is a moot point, as by '99 that time was gone and EA was engaged in making crappy games for old brands, so I'll shut up now.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 07:19:24 pm »

When Yuri used the psy dominators and time travel was used to stop them, the CnC universe stopped.
Everything after RA2 doesn't exist.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2009, 07:25:25 pm »

When Yuri used the psy dominators and time travel was used to stop them, the CnC universe stopped.
Everything after RA2 doesn't exist.


NO what happened was that Allies general took over and used the funds and countrys to build an empire, then he took the war to the middle east which pissed off china starting CNC generals.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2009, 08:00:13 pm »

Gah ... fine, they're not evil.

Basically, you're right. They can't be evil because they're not doing it intentionally.
It's like King Midas, trying to get a bite of that steak but ends up goldifying it.

Just replace gold with crap and steak with games, and guess which company you have.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2009, 10:29:00 pm »

It's not like EA is the only company that has screwed up games in the past
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2009, 03:48:29 am »

It's not like EA is the only company that has screwed up games in the past

No one's saying they are.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2009, 05:38:52 am »

It's not like EA is the only company that has screwed up games in the past

No one's saying they are.

True dat. They are the best at it though.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2009, 11:22:53 am »

Well then again EA is the only Big company thats big enough to spin shit out and still have supporters
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2009, 02:26:43 pm »

When I saw the thread name, I thought you meant the Red Alert 1 & 3 paradoxie thing

Red Alert 1 intro:
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Red Alert 3 intro:
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If einstein was killed BEFORE he killed hitler, hitler would be alive and... yeah...
Also, wouldn't japan be in constant conquering battle by soviets and allies if nukes weren't dropped?
Also, how come allies have Chronosphere?
How come full-steel terror drones can literally swim? Did removing einstein kill the laws of physics too?

Just my few thoughts, I am not looking forwards to C&C 4
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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2009, 03:12:53 pm »

If einstein was killed BEFORE he killed hitler, hitler would be alive and... yeah...

Hitler wasn't killed. He was instead transported to some unknown time period using that Chrono-whatever, basically pushed away. Thus, he was not present during the 1920's, 30's, and 40's, and therefore could not do the Holocaust.

So Hitler is still alive, just somewhere else within the timeline.

Also, remember, Einstein has forgotten that he even got rid of Hitler once the action has occured. Changes to the timeline therefore seems to be "permanent", so removing Einstein will not bring Hitler back. Yes, it's paradoxical, but EA doesn't seem to concern itself with that.
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2009, 03:15:25 pm »

actually your paradox is sort of not a paradox: a mysterious time traveler killed Hitler in 1924, and in 1928 some other man killed Einstein. They are part of the same timeline, obviously if grandfather paradox was in effect in the time-travel mechanics of Red Alert, there would be no point for Einstein to go back in time once he eliminated Hitler (the past stays changed once changed).

However I have to agree Allied chronosphere  is weird (though I guess Futuretech invented it), and that goes tenfold for Tanya's "time belt" (chronotravel. is. lethal. for. humans!!!).
Drones can't swim (that would be silly), nor can they fly, or paralyze tanks.
I don't see why Japan would be in a constant conquering battle, but if ineed they are as powerful as you think, WTH was wrong with all the intelligence in the world?! I know Cherdenko and Kukov are from a parallel time line, but didn't spies in this timeline notice a massive buildup of forces near the far eastern border?
For that matter what happened to the real Cherdenko and Kukov? The ones from this unverse?
I'm not even going to ask how killing Einstein made Japan into a superpower. It's the one free pass they get.
However If Einstein is out of the picture, why didn't Alternative-Alternative-Wold-War-two succeed (the one with this universe's version of Stalin)?

Finally, and this pales in comparison with my above complaints, Einstein didn't invent the Atomic Bomb, I found references to an explosive that uses sub atomic energy in Glossop's "The Orphan of Space" from 1926, you might find earlier references. Indeed Einsein's letter was not specifically meant to encourage FDR to build The Bomb, but rather to warn him that the Germans were making one. You can bet diamonds to toothpicks that by 1972 (the year of Red Alert 2's WWIII, and the earliest year the opening sequence of RA3 could be happening) the atomic bomb would be invented. Plus the soviets have a G-d D---d Atomic reactor!
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Re: CNC plot pardox?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2009, 03:33:58 pm »

But Hitler's not dead.  :(
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