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Psyco Jelly

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Physics and the Holocaust
« on: August 27, 2009, 03:54:48 pm »

So I got my physics course, which, much to my dismay, my mother ordered from Bob Jones Univeristy. In case you didn't know, it's a christian school.

To quote my textbook:

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The atheist views mankind as an accidental end product of biological evolution-a natural creature that is not morally responsible to anyone higher than himself. He believes that those "higher" attributes of humanness such as language, love, intellect, philosophy, and religion came into being because they somehow give mankind greater advantage in the battle for the survival of the fittest.

So far, it sounds reasonable. Let's continue.

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This view of man as nothing more than a highly evolved animal has led to perversions of law and justice as well as horrendous human atrocities during the world wars in the last century and in regional conflicts that continue to this day.

Woah. I'll give you a while to see how that paragraph related to the one above it.

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so how was your four hours? Note that this says that accepting of mankind as a living creature leads to general bad conduct, genocide, and torture. It even has a picture of a couple of malnourished Jews sitting in a concentration camp.

The writers of this book don't seem to acknowledge that even in an atheist's point of view, human beings are incredible creatures. You don't have to believe in some greater force to be happy, to love, or to be kind and just. Some atheists try to be great people to prove to Christians that they aren't all immoral. The very idea of an animal is almost far fetched considering the chance of such a thing rising from the universe.

Now I'm not a Christian or an Atheist, but this shit offends me. Not so much that it's bullpies, but that it made it into a twelfth grade Physics book.

The animosity between these two groups astounds me. (Again, I'm certain that most people on this forum don't care what religion you are. Nerds seem to be more tolerant.)
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2009, 03:57:32 pm »

Again, I'm certain that most people on this forum don't care what religion you are. Nerds seem to be more tolerant.

No, just no.


Here just like everywhere else religion brings up shitstorms. I'm surprised you havent seen any.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2009, 03:59:06 pm »

OH YAY RELIGION THREAD.

I like the implication that Hitler was evil because he was atheist despite the fact that he was, you know, not atheist.
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2009, 04:01:44 pm »

The idea that something so incredibly bias could make it into a science textbook, something that should be full of rational thinking, is bizarre. Even more so that its not even bias against religion, at least then you could trust the physics to be accurate. Who knows how much you can trust this thing?
I have nothing against religion but when they try to brainwash people into believing a wrong version of science, that's unacceptable.
Please post more, I would love to see what blatant contradictions this book contains.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2009, 04:02:38 pm »

OH YAY RELIGION THREAD.

I like the implication that Hitler was evil because he was atheist despite the fact that he was, you know, not atheist.

I wanted to make a comment in the like of "christians can't commit evil, right? Right guys? Right?!??!"  But it seemed offensive and flame bait..  :-\
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2009, 04:04:51 pm »

Because it is and you posted it anyway. Meaning I bet someone is gonna call you out on it.

Really, religion is one of those things you don't talk about with people you don't REALLY know. It just doesn't work on the internet.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2009, 04:07:04 pm »

It all comes down to the basic equation of Hitlerness. Also called the Kampf equation.

H = (N-A)/G

Hitlerness = (Niceness-Atheistness)/Godliness

Niceness on humans naturally ranges between 3-5 antinazis. Atheistness can either be anything between -10 and 10, with agnostics hitting the 0 mark. The lower the hitlerness value, the closer to Hitler you are.

Godliness is anywhere between 0 and 1, with Catholics hitting .2 and Southern baptists hitting .9. Following this, atheists would be in the lower end, near zero. Since we can agree that hitler has a  negative niceness, the numerator is negative. And as you can see, with a negative numerator, as Godliness approaches zero, hitlerness approaches infinity. Therefore, Hitler wasn't an atheist, but atheists are Hitlers.

(This is in good humor, I'm sure someone can come up with a joke on polytheistic pagans.)
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2009, 04:09:33 pm »

It doesn't work on the internet because everyone wants to just unload their religious based baggage onto the topic rather then really taking part in a discussion.

Then you get people who don't really understand what is going on and think that the topic is just about unleashing as much text partially related to the topic at hand. (Nonsense posters... Who are very much alive on Bay12games)

Then you get people who are offended at the two people above who unleash their wraph (note: This is a System group as they are capable of offending those within this group of people thus sustaining it infinitum.)

With just these three, the list has around 6 points, any religion based topic is doomed to fail. The problem is that the internet cannot handle Controvercy very well.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 04:12:07 pm »

It doesn't work on the internet because everyone wants to just unload their religious based baggage onto the topic rather then really taking part in a discussion.

Then you get people who don't really understand what is going on and think that the topic is just about unleashing as much text partially related to the topic at hand. (Nonsense posters... Who are very much alive on Bay12games)

Then you get people who are offended at the two people above who unleash their wraph (note: This is a System group as they are capable of offending those within this group of people thus sustaining it infinitum.)

With just these three, the list has around 6 points, any religion based topic is doomed to fail. The problem is that the internet cannot handle Controvercy very well.

People are the same in real life. I took a course on argumentation, unfortunately, for most people, argument consists of yelling and screaming until one party leaves in frustration.

The idea that something so incredibly bias could make it into a science textbook, something that should be full of rational thinking, is bizarre. Even more so that its not even bias against religion, at least then you could trust the physics to be accurate. Who knows how much you can trust this thing?
I have nothing against religion but when they try to brainwash people into believing a wrong version of science, that's unacceptable.
Please post more, I would love to see what blatant contradictions this book contains.

I checked the later chapters. Other than some random and often unnecessary Bible verses, it's just your average Physics textbook. The lectures that accompany it, however, make scientists out to be assholes through the whole course.

One glorious piece of logic from the professor is:

"The Bible is the word of god, and explains how the world was created. The scientists made up the theory of evolution. God told us how he made the world, and the scientists weren't there.

It would be like a guy telling you how he made a car, and a scientist walks up and says "no, you must have made it like this..." Since they are going against what god said, they are claiming to have a higher authority than god"

If you thinks physics is bad, my spanish had me translate:

"The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom." Which I think is the single most horrible thing you could teach anyone. Since god in this case is inevitable, it'd be like telling everyone to be afraid of the air."

Again, I don't hold anything personally against Christianity, but I think that such things should be left out of authentic learning material.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2009, 04:36:48 pm »

It doesn't work on the internet because everyone wants to just unload their religious based baggage onto the topic rather then really taking part in a discussion.

Then you get people who don't really understand what is going on and think that the topic is just about unleashing as much text partially related to the topic at hand. (Nonsense posters... Who are very much alive on Bay12games)

Then you get people who are offended at the two people above who unleash their wraph (note: This is a System group as they are capable of offending those within this group of people thus sustaining it infinitum.)

With just these three, the list has around 6 points, any religion based topic is doomed to fail. The problem is that the internet cannot handle Controvercy very well.

I like talking about religion. It's everyone else who doesn't. :D Also we seem to be having a semi-civil, if somewhat oddball, discussion of somewhat religious things in the Afterlife thread.

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This view of man as nothing more than a highly evolved animal has led to perversions of law and justice as well as horrendous human atrocities during the world wars in the last century and in regional conflicts that continue to this day.

The problem with this statement is that it presupposes that Atheists do not accord people any dignity. Which I'm pretty sure isn't true.
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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2009, 04:42:28 pm »

If anything, Athiests can be trusted most of all to be moral because their judgement is never clouded by religion. You don't need the fear of god to have a conscience.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2009, 04:56:39 pm »

HEY THOSE NAZIS WEREN'T ALL BAD

LOOK AT THEM



SO HAPPY AND CAREFREE

PULLIN' MAD TRICKS

I'D TOTALLY LET ONE OF THEM DATE MY SISTER, THEY LOOK LIKE GOLLY GOOD BLOKES

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Re: Physics and the Holocaust
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2009, 04:56:48 pm »

If anything, Athiests can be trusted most of all to be moral because their judgement is never clouded by religion. You don't need the fear of god to have a conscience.

The problem is that Morality that is logical is called Utilitarianism. Which only represents one moral code (and one type of logic >.>)

Utilitarianism is one of the more untrustworthy moral codes unless you happen to be one of the Elite and will be so for the rest of your life.

So just because someone's morality isn't likely filtered through a lense of religion it doesn't mean it is any less likely to be corrupt.

Of course Stany's line of arguement is common with people who equivocate/group Religion with Morality. Which I am not accusing him of.
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2009, 05:00:45 pm »

true, such a morality would happily sacrifice 500 hundred people to save a thousand no matter how questionable it sounds.
Also,

Those Nazi's are pwnzor, could they be any more awesome?


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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 05:02:09 pm »

If anything, Athiests can be trusted most of all to be moral because their judgement is never clouded by religion. You don't need the fear of god to have a conscience.

As a godless heretic who is also amoral and a bit of a dick, I take offense to that statement.

Also, Dasleah, I fail to see how poorly trolling a thread you consider "trollbait" improves the situation at all.
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