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[LegoLord]

I think we should be able to link certain traps to triggers, though.  It just seems silly that a goblin has to step on a crossbow trap to trigger it.

[Devin]

I think we should be able to link certain traps to triggers, though.  It just seems silly that a goblin has to step on a crossbow trap to trigger it.

You're thinking something like a lever or pressure plate that triggers a bank of crossbows (or fires a ballista) down a hallway?

[Vester]

That would actually be pretty cool.

[GlyphGryph]

I think the quality in the trap should definitely play a role in how easy it is to avoid as well.

Triggers if (Size+Quality) - (Agility + Chance) > 0
sounds pretty good to me.

[Grendus]

I think the quality in the trap should definitely play a role in how easy it is to avoid as well.

Triggers if (Size+Quality) - (Agility + Chance) > 0
sounds pretty good to me.

That just expands the definition of trap immune, unless you meant that chance is a random number. Most players want something such that Kobolds, for example, will usually duck through traps but occasionally set one off, while larger creatures (say, the orc mod) will be hit by them some of the time but not enough to be a reliable defense.

[Rowanas]

I think the quality in the trap should definitely play a role in how easy it is to avoid as well.

Triggers if (Size+Quality) - (Agility + Chance) > 0
sounds pretty good to me.

How about

Triggers if (Size>6 + Quality) - (Size<6 + Agility) > 0

[Pilsu]

You would need to add a status to each trap much in the same way as the seige engines in that case. [Keep loaded][don't reload] etc to ensure the dwarf doesn't run out to reset the trap like the rush for goblin sneekers

An orders menu item would be much better

[Seraph]

You would need to add a status to each trap much in the same way as the seige engines in that case. [Keep loaded][don't reload] etc to ensure the dwarf doesn't run out to reset the trap like the rush for goblin sneekers

Why couldn't you just forbid the traps you don't want reloaded?

[Devin]

How about

Triggers if (Size>6 + Quality) - (Size<6 + Agility) > 0

I'm not certain that will do what you're looking for, but perhaps the > and + operators aren't being used like I'm accustomed to.

I'm thinking: TrapTrigger if ( (Size > MinimumTrapSize) && ((Quality - ( (Size - MinimumTrapSize) + Agility) ) > 0 ){
Some percentage roll here, maybe some base percentage (90% = vanilla,  20% = challenge mod?) minus agility;
}

That should only trigger the trap if something large enough for the design walks through. (like with pressure plates) The larger the creature is over the minimum size and the higher the quality of the trap the more likely they are to risk setting it off, and the better their agility the less likely they are to set it off; and if they set it off there's a percentage roll to see if they get struck, modified down by their agility.

Thoughts?

[Rowanas]

I hate maths, so mine made way more sense to me...

[Devin]

My opinion on traps power - rather than making them larger, make them spring loaded. A trap will fire once, then need to be rewound by a dwarf. When it fires, regardless of whether it hits or not, it's out of commission. So it would be possible for the dwarves to defend themselves with nothing but traps, but it would take much more effort than it does now and you'd lose the benefit of having a mobile army to protect trade caravans or wandering dwarves.

Of course, stonefall traps already work like this, so it should be relatively easy to implement if Toady were to decide that it would be a nice feature.  I also like the idea of being able to direct power to weapon traps to avoid having to reload them.  Imagine an insanely complex network of axles and waterwheels powering an intricate hallway of death.   

I think we should be able to link certain traps to triggers, though.  It just seems silly that a goblin has to step on a crossbow trap to trigger it.

Thinking further on this, you could do a lot by making ballistas accept lever and pressure plate connections.  They'd need to be reloaded manually of course, but it would be very cool.

[Devin]

I hate maths, so mine made way more sense to me...

I'm sorry   Dense computation code is a pain to parse, I know.  I wish there were a better way to convey it, but my English version after the code is the best I can do.

[Rowanas]

What you were suggesting seems to be the same as what I suggested except assuming that different traps will have different min  and max sizes.

[Devin]

What you were suggesting seems to be the same as what I suggested except assuming that different traps will have different min  and max sizes.

OK, good.  That's how it was supposed to be.

[Rowanas]

Cool. As long as Toady (armok be with him) understands it, wonderful