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[Jude]

Pretty much. Imagining a giraffe is may use the same neurons as seeing a giraffe (it does) but that has nothing to do with "thinking in 4D."

[TheNewerMartianEmperor]

That, and individual minds can work in remarkably different ways, there is no guarantee that any one of us perceives the world in a way even remotely similar to anyone else.

[Psyco Jelly]

Sure you can preform four dimensional calculations, but you can't imagine from a 4d perspective. Anyone knows that 3^4 is 81, which would be the hyper-volume of a hypercube with a length of three, a height of three, a width of three, and a blagth of three. But you cannot concieve such an object in your mind. Again, you can make allusions to it, you can calculate it's properties, but you cannot see it in that perspective.

When you believe the allusions to be true, you are deluding yourself.

I've explained this thrice now, if you can't understand me then that's your own fault. If you can think in four dimensions, you should be heralded as a god since no human (forget that, no three dimensional being) can do that.

As in Edward Abbot's Flatland, a being of a certain dimension cannot perceive or even imagine the dimensions above it.

[Armok]

I understand perfectly well what you are saying, and I say you are WRONG.

By the way, you are mixing up 'see', 'perceive', and 'think'. I cant SEE 4d, nor can I see 3d, because my retinas are 2d (nothing to do with the brain, the nerves, the lenses, or anything before or after the retina, only the retina matters in this case). I can't perceive 4d, because there are no 4d objects around here to be perceived, if there were, I could perceive them.  I can easily THINK in 4d. I can also visualize, render, imagine, and etc. stuff that uses the brain.
And no, I'm not deceiving myself, I most likely know more about both the physics and math, and the psychology and biology and philosophy, and even about the actual skills, of these things than anyone who have posted in this thread.

EDIT: By the way, this may come as a shock for you, but flatland is a work of FICTION.

Also, if you think I am geting myself worked up to much over this, you should remember that peaple in this thread have claimed that I am a liar, deluded, and stupid, for claiming I can do something anyone should be able to do with a bit of training unless they are an idiot.

Also, you are claiming that "nobody can [think in 4d]", which is a negative, you cant prove a negative, and in fact I can disprove your negative by showing someone (me), who CAN think in 4d.

[Il Palazzo]

And no, I'm not deceiving myself, I most likely know more about both the physics and math, and the psychology and biology and philosophy, and even about the actual skills, of these things than anyone who have posted in this thread.

Hey, come on! I posted in this thread too. You can't claim to be the most arrogant bloke around.

[Armok]

And no, I'm not deceiving myself, I most likely know more about both the physics and math, and the psychology and biology and philosophy, and even about the actual skills, of these things than anyone who have posted in this thread.

Hey, come on! I posted in this thread too. You can't claim to be the most arrogant bloke around.

So are you a psychologist, or a mathematician, or perhaps a neurologist, or a computer scientist?

[Cthulhu]

This thread gets more lol with every post.  I'm glad I stopped by.

[Psyco Jelly]

I understand perfectly well what you are saying, and I say you are WRONG.

By the way, you are mixing up 'see', 'perceive', and 'think'. I cant SEE 4d, nor can I see 3d, because my retinas are 2d (nothing to do with the brain, the nerves, the lenses, or anything before or after the retina, only the retina matters in this case). I can't perceive 4d, because there are no 4d objects around here to be perceived, if there were, I could perceive them.  I can easily THINK in 4d. I can also visualize, render, imagine, and etc. stuff that uses the brain.
And no, I'm not deceiving myself, I most likely know more about both the physics and math, and the psychology and biology and philosophy, and even about the actual skills, of these things than anyone who have posted in this thread.

EDIT: By the way, this may come as a shock for you, but flatland is a work of FICTION.

Also, if you think I am geting myself worked up to much over this, you should remember that peaple in this thread have claimed that I am a liar, deluded, and stupid, for claiming I can do something anyone should be able to do with a bit of training unless they are an idiot.

Also, you are claiming that "nobody can [think in 4d]", which is a negative, you cant prove a negative, and in fact I can disprove your negative by showing someone (me), who CAN think in 4d.

You've already proved all I need to know. If you ask any college professor or anyone specialized in the subject you will find out where your fault lies. I've already said we can preform four dimensional calculations. There are a series of clever tricks to get a feeling of what 4-d objects are like, like the method you described earlier, but it's not actually visualizing them.

I've stated all I can. I'm not going to argue any further. I feel the majority if not the entirety of this forum will agree.

I'll give you a piece of advice. whe you are arguing your point, don't insult people the other party in the argument. It's very bad form.

[Gunner-Chan]

I like how this thread showcases that Armok is a liar, deluded, and stupid for everyone to see. XD

[florian]

Don't know if this has been said yet, but I can see 4D. I just have to keep my eyes open for more than a moment. That being said, thinking in 4D is just 3D plus change over time.

(And I really don't know if I said anything relevant.)

[Psyco Jelly]

We mean 4-d as in four spatial dimensions. Time isn't a spatial dimension for our purposes.

[Vester]

I like how this thread showcases that Armok is a liar, deluded, and stupid for everyone to see. XD

This thread gets more lol with every post.  I'm glad I stopped by.

You should have seen it earlier, when the eyearms thing started.

[Muz]

Yeah, you only perceive 4D objects in 3D. It's sort of like drawing a 3D object on paper.. you're only drawing it in two dimensions, but trying to make it look like a 3D shape. It's not really 3D on paper and can't be, because when you move it, it's doesn't move like a 3D object. And yes, when you model a 3D object in a computer, it really is processed as 3D.

Seriously, if you can just model an object visible as 4 dimensional on a computer or so, you win the argument.

[Uber dwarf2.0]

Sorry to break up the chain here,but wouldn't die be the same as sleeping?Time passes instantly untill you awake.Expect you don't,so time passes till the next phase of human tech or some kind of godly power.