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Re: Phobias
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2009, 12:57:25 pm »

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You should remove the locks on the doors, attached pneumatic oscillators to the doors, attach a Clapper to the oscillators. That way, whenever you wanted to open a door, you'd only need to clap twice, and the door would open automatically.
When I get my own house, I am doing exactly this. You sir, have saved me from a lot of fear in my life. (I may have to keep the locks on the outside doors. You know, for security).

You're welcome, but bear in mind I'm not an engineer, so I don't know whether or not such a plan is practical, cost-effective, or even possible. For all I know, the doors would open and close with enough force to knock a grown man unconscious.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2009, 12:58:12 pm »

They have a lot of weird fears:
Metrophobia- Fear or hatred of poetry
Pogonophobia- Fear of beards

This one would suck to have.
Panophobia or Pantophobia- Fear of everything.

How the the heck would someone have the fear of everything though?  It just sounds to weird to find that actually real.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2009, 01:00:41 pm »

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You should remove the locks on the doors, attached pneumatic oscillators to the doors, attach a Clapper to the oscillators. That way, whenever you wanted to open a door, you'd only need to clap twice, and the door would open automatically.
When I get my own house, I am doing exactly this. You sir, have saved me from a lot of fear in my life. (I may have to keep the locks on the outside doors. You know, for security).
That would make a great trap, someone tries to open the door get annoyed and ends up making clapping sounds in their struggle. This causes the door to slam open knocking them unconscious.

You're welcome, but bear in mind I'm not an engineer, so I don't know whether or not such a plan is practical, cost-effective, or even possible. For all I know, the doors would open and close with enough force to knock a grown man unconscious.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2009, 01:00:59 pm »

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You should remove the locks on the doors, attached pneumatic oscillators to the doors, attach a Clapper to the oscillators. That way, whenever you wanted to open a door, you'd only need to clap twice, and the door would open automatically.
When I get my own house, I am doing exactly this. You sir, have saved me from a lot of fear in my life. (I may have to keep the locks on the outside doors. You know, for security).

You're welcome, but bear in mind I'm not an engineer, so I don't know whether or not such a plan is practical, cost-effective, or even possible. For all I know, the doors would open and close with enough force to knock a grown man unconscious.

automatic sliding doors, man, automatic sliding doors.

He could also opt for those japanese-style sliding doors, if he's only afraid of doornobs.
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2009, 01:07:22 pm »

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You should remove the locks on the doors, attached pneumatic oscillators to the doors, attach a Clapper to the oscillators. That way, whenever you wanted to open a door, you'd only need to clap twice, and the door would open automatically.
When I get my own house, I am doing exactly this. You sir, have saved me from a lot of fear in my life. (I may have to keep the locks on the outside doors. You know, for security).

You're welcome, but bear in mind I'm not an engineer, so I don't know whether or not such a plan is practical, cost-effective, or even possible. For all I know, the doors would open and close with enough force to knock a grown man unconscious.
<--Happens to be attending an engineering school. I'm pretty sure it'd be fine as long as they were sliding doors, instead of traditional swinging doors, as blah28722 mentioned. And yes, it's just doorknobs, so I could just remove the knobs/get japanese sliding doors.

But that would not be as cool and futuristic.  :P
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2009, 01:10:45 pm »

Chronophobia- Fear of time. AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
I almost have this. Thou it's not an *irrational* fear, so maybe it classifies as Hypochondria instead.
I also strongly dislike sleeping (according to the list, fear of sleeping = Hypnophobia), thou not a phobia either as it is more a calm horror and unease, and also rationally justified.

Still, it kind of sucks. On the other hand, confronting by worst fears many times every day might have some positive effects as well.

I'm interested in why you're afraid of time, explain?
Imagine you are in a roller-coaster, alone, the roller-coaster is travelling at several hundred km/h. It is extremely foggy, and you cant see far behind you nor in front of you. YOu have been stuck in this rolercoster for years, and you know that in a few more the track will end in a brick wall. The track is perfectly streight, the coster going at a constant, inevetable speed, there is no way you c an get out of it, the very fundamental nature of the universe makes so that it canot be stoped or change direction by any means, and the track dosnt branch.
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Thats ONE of sevaral reasons.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2009, 01:13:24 pm »

Quote from: Chutney link=topic=40743.msg718674#msg718674
<--Happens to be attending an engineering school. I'm pretty sure it'd be fine as long as they were sliding doors, instead of traditional swinging doors, as blah28722 mentioned. And yes, it's just doorknobs, so I could just remove the knobs/get japanese sliding doors.

But that would not be as cool and futuristic.  :P

but you can be all zen and stuff. People will want to hang out at your house (although I'd be more interested in a house with AUTOMATIC SLIDING DOORS)

Imagine you are in a roller-coaster, alone, the roller-coaster is travelling at several hundred km/h. It is extremely foggy, and you cant see far behind you nor in front of you. YOu have been stuck in this rolercoster for years, and you know that in a few more the track will end in a brick wall. The track is perfectly streight, the coster going at a constant, inevetable speed, there is no way you c an get out of it, the very fundamental nature of the universe makes so that it canot be stoped or change direction by any means, and the track dosnt branch.
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Thats ONE of sevaral reasons.

So it's some kind of lack of control thing? I can kinda understand that.

It sounds like an existential crisis too though.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2009, 01:43:18 pm »

It's existential, hence why it's not really a phobia, and a lot more complicated than that metaphor make it seem.
On top of the lack-of-control, there is a lack of understanding as well. I know the ways relativity bend it, quantum mechanics, iteration of a computer simulation, graphs and schedules, then neurology of time perception, and in other words I should in fact probably qualify as understanding time better than almost anyone who is not an explicit expert on it.
But I dont, I have no conc ept of the actual time as such as all, I canm understand spatial and mathematical descriptions of it, but the intuitive feel that evryone seems to have is completly lacking. It is like having no future or past, evry moment that ticks by disintgrates me and replace me whit an almost indestinguishable person... exept it is obviusly not that way, wich confuse me even more.

In practice, this shows up as disastrous lack of time management skill ("I'll just finish reading TV tropes and Wikipedia in alphabetic order, lets hope my food hasn't gotten cold by then..." [/exageration]), and an inability to get proper timing in animations.
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2009, 02:52:16 pm »

I don't think people inspect time enough for them to become disturbed by it.

This is probably a good example of "ignorance is bliss". I can't conceptualize your experiences at all.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2009, 02:57:15 pm »

I contemplate time and the nature of our perception of it all the time.  It doesn't scare me.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2009, 03:07:49 pm »

Now start contemplating moving SIDEWAYS in time.

String Theory, I think it is, has time as taking up another 3 dimensions. Time with an X, Y, and Z axis. NOW tell me it doesn't scare you, if only because you cannot possibly imagine what that means.
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2009, 03:22:00 pm »

I don't pay attention to string theory/quantum physics.  They're just screwing with us.
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2009, 04:01:37 pm »

I never got the whole time is the 4th dimension thing. Time if anything is the zeroth dimension, without it no other dimensions can exist, you got a line with some lines on it? What are they existing in? Oh yeh, time! screw multidimensional time, that's the result of people being paid but having nothing better to do than smoke weed.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2009, 04:58:06 pm »

I don't think people inspect time enough for them to become disturbed by it.

This is probably a good example of "ignorance is bliss". I can't conceptualize your experiences at all.
I have considered that, and it's part of the reason. If everyone had an IQ of 120 and studied stuff and contemplated stuff I'd probably be fairly comon, thou far from universal.

Now start contemplating moving SIDEWAYS in time.

String Theory, I think it is, has time as taking up another 3 dimensions. Time with an X, Y, and Z axis. NOW tell me it doesn't scare you, if only because you cannot possibly imagine what that means.
I'm pretty sure you have gotten string theory and physics in general wrong in ~15 ways there.

I dont find imagining multiple time dimensions very hard at all, atleast not harder than imagining the single one here. In fact, I find such a setup would be much less unsetteling and confining than the linear time we corently have.

As how to imagine it, there are probably a few ways, if you have a simple low amount of timelines interconecting like in time travel stories, it is to trivial to spend time discusing here. If, on the other hand, you imagine a smoothly truly 2d time, a good trick to imagine thinking in a world like that is to imagine the neural net that is you brain like the simplified computer versions that are curently avible, going iteration by iterationg. Then you make it brach into two timestrams, identical exept that each neuron knows wich one it is in. if you do these branchings often, in fact evry iteration, you now have a sturcture that has abaut the same resolution in both time dimentions (note that technicaly the second one might not count as time yet actualy, but it will become a time dimention soon so lets just call it that).
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A small tree like this, downwards is the "normal" time dimention, sideways is the second one.

     n
    / \
   n   n
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 n n   n n

Each neurons state in iteration N is dependant on the states of the other neurons in the previus iteration - it's parent node in the tree - in this setup. You still have no experience thou, as each of the neural nets are in separate timestreams.
now, however, you give more information: in adition to basing the state of each neuron on the state of the other neurons in it's parent, you also base it on the states of neurons in the nighbour timestreams of the parent, transforming the stucture from tree-like to cloth-like.
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a cloth structure, downwards is the "normal" time dimention, sideways is the second one.
 
        n
       / \
      n   n
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    n   n   n
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  n   n   n   n
 / \ / \ / \ / \
n   n   n   n   n
 
As you can see, each node here is based on two parent nodes, and information can travel at a "speed" of a maximum of one sideways step for each downwards iteration. This would most likely "feel" like living in two time dimentions, althou I'm not sure if it technicaly counts as such. This Is the last version show here that I know is computable.
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  a cloth structure, downwards is the "normal" time dimention, sideways is the second one.
 
         n
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       N   N
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     n   @   n
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   N   n   n   N
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here is a slightly diferent configuration again, the state of  the @ is dependant upon the capital Ns, it basicaly works similar to relativity in that while information travels "backwards" in time, the finit speed at wich it can move throught other means is slow enought that it shuldnt be able to form paradoxes, and as such this *might* be computable.
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   a cloth structure, downwards is the "normal" time dimention, sideways is the second one.
   
          n
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        N   N
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      n   @   n
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    n   N   N   n
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This is the last example, this is completly 2d and symetric in time, however I cant figure out a way it could posibly be computable or even what it would feel like.


That wasnt so hard was it?

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2009, 05:20:58 pm »

EDIT, in a double post because \ seems to mess up formating:

In order to show why the second dimension constitutes time, a few more graphs:

 
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Here is the 2d time I showed before again.
 
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This one would appear to ONLY depend on the future. However, this is also computable,
and in fact would give the same result as the above, but now "time" is going backwards.
From a mathmatical standpoint that dosn't mean anything however.
 
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And again the same thing, to prove the point, here time is going sideways, dont miss theres a scrollbar:
 
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  And here's how ordinary linear time would look like, due to how this graph is set up it actually
appears diagonal. these settups would be indestructible from what you are currently experiencing, also, more scrollbar:
   
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