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[blah28722]

By using modding beforehand, I think I can make a challenging map that is hard in a way that isn't possible through world-gen chance.

An example, the dwarven wailing wall.


The elves love him for his beards, oh the agony!

Through a combination of modding creature raws, dwarf companion, and a few other terrain-altering utilities, I should be able to create this.

Due to the river/aquifer constantly filling up the gap behind the wall, the water that escapes through the "eye holes" can create a crying effect that continually floods the map. Add this to a cold or temperate map and you have possible instant deathtraps.

In addition, if the water is filled to the brim (say, player blocked eyeholes with walls), it triggers a pressure plate that unleashes a flood of magma onto the whole map.

Deep underground, there are pre-dug small holes. By embarking with megabeasts, chaining them in holes, filling in the walls, setting them to berserk with companion, then finally destroying the chain via lever (or we can just pit them), I can create a HFS-lite, where a megabeast (possibly invisible) will emerge when miners dig too deep or are just unlucky.

What do you think? Is player-designed enviroments an interesting concept?

[Rowanas]

Very much so! Send me what you've got when you've done it. I think I see a way round this, but that should be a very fun challenge.

[blah28722]

Oh, I don't think I'll be pursuing this particular world, but I wanted to get the idea out and see if people are interested.

[EvilTwin]

i'd also like to play such a map.
i know, you wont be doing that specific map, but how would you prevent the player from just deconstructing the pressure plate, so he hasnt the risk of fried dwarves?

[blah28722]

i'd also like to play such a map.
i know, you wont be doing that specific map, but how would you prevent the player from just deconstructing the pressure plate, so he hasnt the risk of fried dwarves?

I was thinking something like 10 GCS up in that plateau, since you can't get off it initially.

It's really more of an honor code thing though.

On the other hand, if they walled off the bottom, right after the pressure plate...

[Caz]

I would love if we could have an 'edit embark map' feature to make crazy maps and add all sorts of nasties. 

[blah28722]

I would love if we could have an 'edit embark map' feature to make crazy maps and add all sorts of nasties. 

If you grab:

Dtil / Tweak (tile editor)
Dwarf Companion (Creature editing)
For Each Tile (mass tile editing, or so I've heard)
and do a little modding, you can basically do the same thing.

[Taritus]

There are some problems that arise though, and I don't have any idea if you can make just  a tile an aquifer.  They may operate on the whole layer basis.

[Kulantan]

If you really wish to honour Armok put one of these in the mouth 

[KaziArmada]

Anyone rember the flying Islands from Super Mario 64?

...Now anyone getting an idea yet?...

...Goood...I have trained you well ^_^

[Duke 2.0]

 Of course there is a bit of a problem with the HFS plans. You see, reclaiming is a bit wonky when it comes to unrevealed tiles. I really should test it more, but it appears that inaccessible areas underground are hidden upon reclaim, and it is impossible to remove it. Again, I need to do some tests with this, but it could be a problem unless one uses a reveal mod.

[Quietust]

Of course there is a bit of a problem with the HFS plans. You see, reclaiming is a bit wonky when it comes to unrevealed tiles. I really should test it more, but it appears that inaccessible areas underground are hidden upon reclaim, and it is impossible to remove it. Again, I need to do some tests with this, but it could be a problem unless one uses a reveal mod.

I think that was the whole point - seal up the megabeasts in underground chambers that won't be revealed during a reclaim, so unlucky miners will happen to uncover and release them.

[KaziArmada]

Of course there is a bit of a problem with the HFS plans. You see, reclaiming is a bit wonky when it comes to unrevealed tiles. I really should test it more, but it appears that inaccessible areas underground are hidden upon reclaim, and it is impossible to remove it. Again, I need to do some tests with this, but it could be a problem unless one uses a reveal mod.

I think that was the whole point - seal up the megabeasts in underground chambers that won't be revealed during a reclaim, so unlucky miners will happen to uncover and release them.

Exactly. If you Accidently break into one of these chambers, its like HFS on a smaller scale, if im understanding it correctly...

So you may WANT to know where they are...
You just arnt SUPPOSED to..

[Duke 2.0]

Of course there is a bit of a problem with the HFS plans. You see, reclaiming is a bit wonky when it comes to unrevealed tiles. I really should test it more, but it appears that inaccessible areas underground are hidden upon reclaim, and it is impossible to remove it. Again, I need to do some tests with this, but it could be a problem unless one uses a reveal mod.

I think that was the whole point - seal up the megabeasts in underground chambers that won't be revealed during a reclaim, so unlucky miners will happen to uncover and release them.

Exactly. If you Accidently break into one of these chambers, its like HFS on a smaller scale, if im understanding it correctly...

So you may WANT to know where they are...
You just arnt SUPPOSED to..

The problem isn't that they are hidden so much as the black tiles won't go away. Even if you dig into it, the black tiles remain. Note I did this with a room made of constructions and not natural walls, but as I said testing is needed.