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[Kagus]

Nice to know I'm not the only one...

Also nice of them to add in awesome new cheat units for the expansion.  All the AoE series and AoM had cool stuff that you could only get by cheating.  Like that flying purple hippo that attacked by blowing kisses at people.  Or Furious the Monkey Boy.

[Virex]

There´s also Dark Reing (The first one). The ability of units to camouflage themselves and the line of sight system make for a game in which the trees themselves play a part in your strategy.

[Kagus]

Supreme Commander is almost completely defined by build queues and lots of twitchy micromanagement.  However, it has the potential to be a very macro game of sci-fi conquest.

With the way the map works and just the ease with which you can command units, it gives you all the tools necessary to set up a massive map with a few buds and just hop from interesting location to interesting location.  Not only could it potentially give you some actual meaning to the positioning and composition of your units (and the construction/defense of separate resource or artillery establishments), but it also gives you some really cool up-close battles to feast your eyes upon.

The problem is, of course, getting around the way the game ends up usually being played.  I.E., a small-scale traditional RTS.


Another game somewhat along that line would be the American Conquest series, and possibly its predecessor the Cossacks series.  But it doesn't allow for quite the same amount of maneuvering or global management as SupCom does.  It's mostly just a game about throwing really really huge armies against each other.

[Micro102]

I've played supreme commander, The races are too similair. It's always the same buildings over and over.

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

No love for Hearts of Iron here?

OH GOD THE MICROMANAGEMENT.

But damn awesome game.

FUCK YEAH AWESOME!

(Though I play only the 1st and the 2nd... HAven't bought HoI 3)

[protorp]

I recently checked out Armageddon Empires - virtually unknown but excessively lauded by the few reviews out there. It's a turn based hybrid of Panzer General style hex strategy with collectible card game style unit mechanics - only no having to pay extra for better content . . .

Sounds out there but is one of the best balanced strategy experiences I've had in a long time. Developers site is:

http://www.crypticcomet.com/

[Jreengus]

I've played supreme commander, The races are too similair. It's always the same buildings over and over.

My main problem with supcom was the campaign, inevitably every mission boiled down to spending 5 hours watching your factories churn out units who would then decide it was intelligent to go single file into the enemy base and get slaughtered without even taking down a single shield generator. Of course by "every" I mean the second mission of each campaign because I just didn't have the patience to complete any of them. Seriously who thought it would be intelligent to give all the bases thousands of shield generators and tons of turrets so that it take hours and hours just to build a force that could possibly stand a tiny chance of winning if the units weren't retards who enjoy marching single file.

[Rysith]

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My main problem with supcom was the campaign, inevitably every mission boiled down to spending 5 hours watching your factories churn out units who would then decide it was intelligent to go single file into the enemy base and get slaughtered without even taking down a single shield generator. Of course by "every" I mean the second mission of each campaign because I just didn't have the patience to complete any of them. Seriously who thought it would be intelligent to give all the bases thousands of shield generators and tons of turrets so that it take hours and hours just to build a force that could possibly stand a tiny chance of winning if the units weren't retards who enjoy marching single file.
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Artillery is your friend. As is gathering your units just outside the range of the turrets and only then sending them in.

[umiman]

The first key to learning how to actually play large scale RTSes like Supcom and Sins of a Solar Empire is to understand in your heart that every single unit is expendable and when you build them, you expect them to die, not succeed. Once you overcome that psychological hurdle of trying to build only the best units or trying to keep your units and buildings alive, you can trounce every single mission in the game in under 30 minutes as you crush your pathetic AI opponents.

For multiplayer, it works against newbies but not too much against the other experienced players. You have to get creative there. That's when expert use of an overall strategy and devious tactics come into play. Supcom is really meant for online play, not singleplayer.

[Judas Maccabeus]

No love for Hearts of Iron here?

For that matter, any Paradox Interactive game.  There's variations on the basic theme depending on what time period or focus you might want; Hearts of Iron being the warfare-based World War II game.  The learning curve can be a bit steep sometimes, though.  (Especially Victoria.  If you're not careful with that one, you run into a learning vertical line, actually.  It can be worse than Dwarf Fortress sometimes. )

[Luke_Prowler]

Warhammer. Just sayin'.

_{But it's sure as hell expensive...}

[a1s]

Warhammer.

Didn't they make some computer games for that? Not like Dawn of War, but actually ones using the system? (Final Liberation sounds about right [although never having played the tabletop version I can't say if it's really tru], but it's really old)

[Rysith]

Sins of a Solar Empire

Thanks for the reminder that Sins of a Solar Empire exists. It's the only RTS that I've seen that I think does "hero" units well, mostly because you can leave them alone and not have them be pathetic.

Plenty of strategy there, too.

[Alemourn]

Well, I was going to suggest Conqueror!, but unless it's me, the site appears to be gone.
It's a Risk-like game, except there's more strategy such as managing territory loyalty, building forts(Which upgrade to castles) to allow a defensive bonus, population increase(Which decreases if that territory is fought over for a few turns), paying for a standing army at the end of every four turns, and it requires a lot of strategy no matter how big your force is because only 5 moves with armies can be made each turn.

[Helmaroc]

http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Freeciv is pretty fun, if you like Civilization. Most people do stick to a handful of different strategies, but the maps are random and every decision makes a difference (what you research when, what kind of defense you place in a certain area, etc).

Oh, and there are also mods, maps, and tilesets available.