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[Free Beer]

A quick search shows that there has not been a decent religious debate in a couple of weeks. Let's rectify this travesty.

Let's have a modern religion themed mafia. Each player would have powers thematically representative of talents that practitioners of a given religion have today. For example, ordinary practitioners might be really smart (investigative abilities) or have conversion based powers, while extremists would have assassination powers.

The general consensus is that there should be multiple "mafia" factions, each representing a religion. Each religion should have one conversion based player and one NK based player (possibly one shot), at the very least.

The "town" would be present, but would consist mainly of cannon fodder to be converted and/or killed.

The rules, as used in Religion Mafia #2:

Spoiler: Religious Power Role (click to show/hide)

*E-Evangelist: This person serves as the "leader" of the religion during the Flame War. At the start of the game, the Leader may pick two Traits. These traits get to decide the power roles that will be a part of his religion. Every night, the E-Evangelist may try to convert someone. If he try to convert a Religious Power Role, he will be killed.

Traits:
*Holy War: For whatever reason, you believe that you are fighting a Holy War against the other religion, and because of that, you can convince people to kill the infidels. The religion gain the Zealot power role. Every night, the religion may forgo a conversion attempt to let the Zealot kill someone instead.
*Hierarchy: The E-Evangelist knows that he is mortal, and can appoint someone to rule his religion once something bad happens to him. The religion gain the Sleeper Evangelist power role. He will take over and becomes the next E-Evangelist, once the first E-Evangelist dies or get banned.
*Divine Revelation: The religion gain the Prophet power role, a person who is receiving messages directly from [INSERT DIETY HERE]. All new Religious Converts are immune to conversion until the Prophet gets banned or killed.
*Prosperity Gospel: If you want to get rich quick, worship [INSERT DIETY HERE]! This religious idea is an extremely good revenue booster, as people want to prove their worship of [INSERT DIETY HERE] by donating tons of money to your religion. The religion gains the Televangelist power role. A Televangelist has the power of sending a request to the Merc Hacker that the Merc Hacker must accept...because the Merc Hacker is after all a Merc who wants money. The only exception is that the Merc Hacker may refuse a job to kill himself. If there are more than one Televangelist, then the Merc Hacker can choose between the Televangelist requests.
*Scholarly. This religion's meetings are high-brow enough to attract a Pseudo-Intellectual worshiper. The Pseudo-Intellectual may determine the belief of one person per night. In addition, as long as the Pseudo-Intellectual lives, this religion will successfully convert their targets if another evangelist also targets the same person that night. If two Scholarly religions try to convert the same target at the same time, the standard event happens.

The religion wins when it outnumbers all the other religions and the Agnostics.

Spoiler: Atheists (click to show/hide)

Mercenary Hacker
*Belief: Atheist (May not be converted)
*Rules: Every night, the Hacker may choose to kill someone. He will receive $500 from anti-religious organizations if he successfully kills a Religious Power Role. If a Televangelist sends a request to the Mercenary Hacker via the host, the Mercenary Hacker must carry out the request, but he will be paid $1000 if he succeeds.
Victory: The Mercenary Hacker's goal is to make $3000. When this occurs, the Merc is removed from the game, and FBI Hacker loses.

Radical Atheist
*Belief: Atheist (May not be converted)
("It is better to be mindless sheep than it is to be mind-controlled")
*Rules: Capable of determining the level of belief of a single person every night. When the Radical Atheist gets votes for a person who is later Banned, the Radical Atheist gets "credit" for the banning.
Victory: "Ban" three Religious people via this manner. When this occur, the Radical Atheist leaves the game.

Regular Atheist Cabal
*Belief: Atheist (cannot be converted)
*Rules: These people are against religions in general, and has formed an informal clique to help each other refine their debating tactics. The members of the Regular Atheist Cabal knows each other, and therefore can act as a Mason Group.
Victory: ALL members of the Atheist Cabal survives. If one get banned or killed, the other members of the Cabal realize that the gig is up, and leave the Forum too.

Spoiler: Agnostics (click to show/hide)

Regular Agnostic
Belief: Agnostic (Can be converted, Victory condition and powers do not change when converted)
Victory: Survive.

Anti-{Insert Religion Here} Activist
Belief: Agnostic (Can be converted, Victory condition and powers do not change when converted. If the person is converted into the "Barbaric Religion", player loses and kills himself.)
Rules:  This person is at war with a "Barbaric Religion" that is randomly determined by the host at the start of the game. This person is afraid that if this religion wins, society will crumble as a result, and thus will do whatever is in his power to ensure that society wins.
Victory: Barbaric Religion loses.

Troll
Belief: Agnostic (May be converted, victory condition and powers do not change when converted)
Rules: Once per Day, may make a personal attack against a player elsewhere on the forum. That player becomes so caught up with making a responding flame that they may not take any actions on the subsequent night.
Victory: Survive.

Armchair Theologian
Belief: Agnostic (may be converted. Conversion attempts after the first are voluntary, and immune to the Prophet. When converted, powers are retained.)
Rules: Capable of discovering the belief of two players per night.
Victory: Survive. If converted, condition changes to "Religion Wins."

FBI Hacker
 Belief: Agnostic (May be converted, victory condition and powers do not change when converted)
 Rules: Attracted by the death threats, the FBI Hacker may choose one person per night to Guard. If a Zealot or Merc targets the person being Guarded, the attempt fails and the FBI Hacker is made aware of who made the attempt.
 Victory: All Zealots and Merc removed from the game. If Merc succeds in making $3000, FBI Hacker loses and is removed from the game.

4Chan Operative
Belief: Agnostic {May be converted}
Rules: Is in this argument for the lulz, and has two ways to win.

If he stays alive and unconverted for 3 days, he'll activate a hack which will cause the forum to shut down for 1 day. The end result is that one Day would be skipped, meaning there will be Two Night phases. 4Chan Operative wins and is removed for the game.

If 4Chan operative is converted, then he'll have to cause lulz in an alternative manner. The 4Chan Operative must be lynched or Night Killed in order to win then. The Night Killer or the last person to Lynch the 4Chan Operative gets killed.

Moderator
 Belief: Agnostic (May be converted, victory condition and powers do not change when converted)
 Rules: The moderator is not worried about 'safety', he's worried about enforcing the rules of the thread, and he blames the E-Evangelists for starting the conflict. A Moderator may vote in secret, and his secret vote is count instead of his public vote. A Moderator cannot be Banned unless the Admin votes for them.
 Victory: The three E-Evangelists (and all Sleeper E-Evangelists) are removed from the game.

Admin
 Belief: Agnostic (May be converted)
 Rules: If they vote for a Moderator, their vote counts for double. Otherwise, their vote counts as normal. The Admin cannot be Banned, but may be NK'd. During the Day, they may prevent one person from being Banned. Usage of either Ban-prevention power reveals role.
 Victory: Survive. If converted, condition changes to "Religion Wins."

[Free Beer]

Uhh.. this was supposed to go in General Discussion, and I have no idea how it got here?

[Duke 2.0]

 The way I figure, this would make an awesome parody mafia. And it would end up a lot less horribly than this ever would in GD.

[ToonyMan]

Make a mafia out of this NOW.

DO EEET.

[Free Beer]

Ehhh, why not.

This is now a discussion thread for a religion-themed mafia. I'll update the first post.

[ToonyMan]

Add the major religions as sides.  Everyone in each religion knows each other, but not the other religions.  The goal for each religion is to destroy the others before they are destroyed.

This would so work.

[Duke 2.0]

 While this may not have been your intention, know any other options would have ended badly. We simply cannot handle the three big unspeakable topics of the internet: Religion, Politics, and Sex. They all devolve into crap.

 The way I see a religious mafia, the town would be average people and the mafias would be radical versions of various faiths. Seeing as these are unstable extremists, one can handle stereotypes with them so long as the idea that they are not like what their faith teaches stays. It should remove the problems associated with said subject matter.
 I dunno how to handle atheists.

[Rysith]

Proposal:

~40% Townies
~60% Religious, broken up into one-or-two person groups. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Confucians, Taoists, and Buddhists (to steal the Civ IV religions). Atheists could be here, too.

Each religion is granted probably a single nightkill (Once per game, not once per night). The game proceeds until only one religion is left, at which point that religion, and any townspeople voting with them on the final day, win. I'd also suggest loading the townspeople with power roles, particularly doctor and roleblocker-type roles. Possibly cop as well, though I'm not sure.

The idea would be that each religion would be trying to find and befriend the townspeople while killing off the other religions. The townspeople would be trying to feel the currents well enough to end up siding with the winners at the end of the game.

[ToonyMan]

We would need alot of players for multiple mafia groups though.

[Mr.Person]

Proposal:

~40% Townies
~60% Religious, broken up into one-or-two person groups. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Confucians, Taoists, and Buddhists (to steal the Civ IV religions). Atheists could be here, too.

Each religion is granted probably a single nightkill (Once per game, not once per night). The game proceeds until only one religion is left, at which point that religion, and any townspeople voting with them on the final day, win. I'd also suggest loading the townspeople with power roles, particularly doctor and roleblocker-type roles. Possibly cop as well, though I'm not sure.

The idea would be that each religion would be trying to find and befriend the townspeople while killing off the other religions. The townspeople would be trying to feel the currents well enough to end up siding with the winners at the end of the game.

How about you just scrap the town entirely and just have a few survivors? That way, being on the town isn't a free "You win!". Some of the scum teams should have 1-shot kills while others should have recruiting powers. Other possibilites include a 2p team with a doctor, 2 RBs, an unlynchable (but very killable) guy, an unkillable (but very lynchable) guy, ect.

[Servant Corps]

I dunno how to handle atheists.   

Simply divide Atheists into 'Moderates' and "Cult of Reason" French Revolutionaries, wanting to gullionite all those who believe in reactionary religion. Of course, you could just call them "Dawkinists", but I like the Cult of Reason better.

A Religious Mafia I seen before had Neitzche, God, three Religious Cults, and the rest agnoistcs:
Neitzche: One-Shot Vig. Can choose to fire at day or night. Wins if God dies.
God: Serial Killer. Wins if Netizche dies. If he wins, God leaves the game.
Agnositics: Townie. Wins if God dies. Of course, if God leaves the game, then Agnostics will lose unless they get converted to a different Religion.
Cult Leaders: Convert as many Agnoistics as possible to your religion. You win when the other two Cult Leaders die. Make sure God doesn't die.

God knows who the Cult Leaders are, and the Cult Leaders know who God is. But God does not know who are the "Converts" to the Cult Leaders.

[Little]

That sounds fun.

[Rysith]

How about you just scrap the town entirely and just have a few survivors? That way, being on the town isn't a free "You win!". Some of the scum teams should have 1-shot kills while others should have recruiting powers. Other possibilites include a 2p team with a doctor, 2 RBs, an unlynchable (but very killable) guy, an unkillable (but very lynchable) guy, ect.

That would work too, the intent was to create a group that was "undecided", and large enough for the religions to consider it worth influencing. I'm not sure how survivors are different from the town in that context. I'd also worry about town/survivors lynching randomly Because They Can, so another possibility would be to hand out pro or anti religious roles to the townies (sort of like lynchers and anti-lynchers, but targeting religions).

Toony: The idea here would be that most of the players would be broken up into small groups with one-shot nightkills, rather than the mass slaughter that would happen if they were all "full" mafia groups.

Stealing a bit from Servant Corps, you could also have a leader from each of the religions and mostly townies, with the leaders recruiting townies into the different religions. I'd say that trying to recruit an already-recruited person would result in failure but not death, though recruiting another leader might. To mix things up a bit, there could be some "survivors" who would remain recruitable after conversion, or an array of powers that a leader could transfer to already-converted people (spend a night action to transfer the ability to convert, for example). I'd also make night-kills fairly rare, to let the game go on a bit longer. Something like:

The Jewish leader (Moses for flavor) starts off with the ability to convert, transfer abilities, roleblock, and grant double votes for the next day.

Night 1, Moses converts townie A
Night 2, Moses transfers the ability to convert from himself to townie A. Moses can no longer convert, but Townie A can. Night 3, Townie A can convert Townie B while Moses roleblocks the person he suspects of being the leader of the Hindus.

The idea would be that as religions grew, they would effectively gain more actions per night, and spread the risk of losing their leader over more people. Of course, if Townie A was a survivor and was converted Night 3 by the Hindus, that would be bad for them. Similarly, losing a fresh convert to a lynch isn't that big a deal, but losing the person you just transferred the ability to convert to would be.

For that sort of thing, I think I'd want a leader for every 4-5 townies or so, to let the game develop reasonably.

[ToonyMan]

How about no kills and only converts?

Hah!

Religion that infects everyone wins!

[Free Beer]

I agree that we'll need at least three different factions in order to maintain flavor.

As for the "townies," how about the premise being that there is a single "dominant" religion which has been established for a long time, with 2-3 other religions that just moved in and are gaining in popularity? This retains the basic mechanic present in mafia games (informed minority vs uninformed majority).