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[Nilocy]

Its now acctually started to annoy me, why are americans so afraid of change? And why the hell are the republicans called Britains National Health Service (NHS) Orwellian (oooooh clever use of a british writer there, gratz america) and evil?! They're saying that our health service is based on a selection commitee that decides who lives and dies? NO IT DOESN'T. Argh, i have a great respect for NHS workers (of which there are 1.3 million in britain) so why is america's right wing anti-reformists using our amazing institution as a negative point against this health reform? whhhhhyyyyy?!

[sonerohi]

As an American, I can say that all the angry protesting stems from two types of people. 1) Those too retarded to figure out what "optional death counseling" means, and 2) The people two busy working to read the legislature, so they take #1's word on it. I haven't yet gotten a chance to peruse the whole thing, but it would seem to me that there really is nothing overly wrong with it.

[Jualin]

As far as I've seen, this is because of fear (isn't Death Panel a very gripping name to call your designated opponent?) and money (the health insurance industry has a ridiculously powerful lobby. You have five guesses as to whom nationalized health care would hurt badly, and the first four don't count.)

It doesn't take much to stop a town hall debate in your favor, either. All you need to do is to take advantage of preconceived notions and have something catchy to shout in order to drown out debate. What better motivator than fear to turn ignorance and misunderstanding into a cold surety that you are the only sane person in a world of thieves and beggars.

Money burns holes in one's pockets, does it not?

[Taniec]

Yep, let us have a system like in the UK where it takes MONTHS to get simple procedures done. Let us have a system where instead of healthcare being 1/6 of the economy it becomes 5/6 of the economy. I am not a lawmaker nor I am an educated citizen, but to nationalize healthcare is not a good idea. There is a healthcare system in the state of Mass. which resembles the bill they are trying to pass. It is doing terrible last I heard. I am not opposed to healthcare reform, but this bill puts the government in a position where it shouldn't be in. You have canadian citizens waiting 7-8 hours to get a physical and months for surgery. I have seen articles where canadians jump the border to get their procedures done here in the US.

Why are they in such a rush to pass it? It took the Obama family like 8 months to figure out what kind of dog they wanted but they want to push this bill into law in less than 3 months?! It should take them years of debating to get this thing right.

National healthcare no. Healthcare reform yes. It has nothing to do with being afraid of change, but the only examples of national healthcare that are in use have not worked.

[Captain Hat]

Yep, let us have a system like in the UK where it takes MONTHS to get simple procedures done. Let us have a system where instead of healthcare being 1/6 of the economy it becomes 5/6 of the economy. I am not a lawmaker nor I am an educated citizen, but to nationalize healthcare is not a good idea. There is a healthcare system in the state of Mass. which resembles the bill they are trying to pass. It is doing terrible last I heard. I am not opposed to healthcare reform, but this bill puts the government in a position where it shouldn't be in. You have canadian citizens waiting 7-8 hours to get a physical and months for surgery. I have seen articles where canadians jump the border to get their procedures done here in the US.

Why are they in such a rush to pass it? It took the Obama family like 8 months to figure out what kind of dog they wanted but they want to push this bill into law in less than 3 months?! It should take them years of debating to get this thing right.

National healthcare no. Healthcare reform yes. It has nothing to do with being afraid of change, but the only examples of national healthcare that are in use have not worked.

Because having everyone pay for expensive emergency room visits for things that could have been preventable is much better.

[Ampersand]

There are legitimate reasons to go for a publicly funded health insurance option. There are also legitimate objections. I'm not going to talk about either of those.

The problem is that the debate has been clouded by illegitimate objections and illegitimate reasons posed in response. And it's starting to get kind of scary.

[bjlong]

The problem is that the debate has been clouded by illegitimate objections and illegitimate reasons posed in response. And it's starting to get kind of scary.

Congratulations! You've just learned the first thing about politics: lies spread faster than the truth, so the best way to get your point across is by lying before the other guy does!

IMO, healthcare reform doesn't seem too close. If it does go through, it'll be much different from what Obama wants.

[Aqizzar]

Oh no, I'm not getting drawn into this.  I talked myself out of starting a thread on this after I nearly gave myself a aneurysm the other night.  Not even going to touch it.  Hell, I'm trying to unplug myself from my news addiction before it kills me.

[Gunner-Chan]

I agree with the chinned one... This subject just makes me wanna pull my own head off.

[Duke 2.0]

 I make it a point to not post in threads I don't want to post in, not even for a post like this explaining I don't like it. Still, I must add onto the crowd edging away from this thread like a bomb.

 Because this thread is like a chalkboard made of black powder with chalk sticks made of sprinklers.

[ChairmanPoo]

Posted by: Nilocy
Posted by: sonerohi
Posted by: Jualin
Posted by: Taniec
Posted by: Captain Hat

LET BATTLE BE JOINED

[Neonivek]

I'd personally would find this whole Healthcare debate in the USA hillarious if it didn't also include some pretty silly/stupid notions of how the Canadian health system functioned.

Though I guess I should ALSO find it hillarious because they have little understanding of Canadian healthcare.

One arguement I find odd is that they say "The United States cannot have socialised healthcare because they have a large population" which leaves me to say "Right but that also means they have ten times the amount of people to pay for it"

[Enzo]

I love Canada

Healthcare is part of our national identity. Almost as much as smug, cockeyed amusement at American hijinks is.

[Cthulhu]

This is another subject where I take my "Everyone is wrong in their own special way" stance.

[LegoLord]

Just who is left among the major Republican politicians these days?  There are some senators and a couple governers, a few former presidential candidates and presidents, and that seems to be it.