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[abculatter_2]

Is this possible? Would they live if I made them completely dependent on water and drown in air? Would it be possible to make embark choose a location underwater instead of on land?

[Glacial Eidolon]

To my current knowledge:

You wouldn't be able to make underwater forts with them. They would get the error "Urist McFish cancels Dig: Unsafe terrain" or what have you, and would run out of the underwater area. That's if they were amphibious.

I haven't tested aquatic, but you still wouldn't be able to create forts in the ocean and they'd immediately air-drown on land. They'd also not move into the water because of "dangerous terrain."

This is due to a hardcoded feature that makes it so that underwater terrain is always labeled dangerous, regardless of whether your fishmen or anything else you decide like modding can actually survive.

It's the same way with flying creatures, in fact. For the same reason.

Would like someone else to confirm this, but these have been my experiences.

[i2amroy]

I confirm what he says.

[Neruz]

The pathing is hardcoded and can't handle underwater things; even if you make a playable race the best swimmers in the world they'll still scream like a little girl elf and run away as soon as their toes get damp.

As Glacial said; the same thing happens with flying dudes.

[jaked122]

don't bother, this won't happen for a long time, I can't wait till it finally does though

[Winterbrass]

Agreed with Eidolon. I had an amphibious race that loved extremely cold temperatures and they would do incredibly stupid things like attempt to build a constructed floor between waterwheels from underneath the surface of the water.

I do have to disagree with the statements about amphibious races running away from water, however. My builders would quite happily traipse through 7/7 water to get to the other side of the self-built river so they could construct a building on the other side - the problem was with building overtop of the river or on its edge. And the legendary wrestlers would love to jump into the water to literally tear apart carp.

I just wish their AI was a little better so I didn't have to un-suspend construction orders two-dozen times because they believed that being a Z-level below the appropriate level was equivalent.

[Flying Carcass]

Quick question: how do nonplayable aquatic and amphibius civs do under water? Do they thrive? And, if so inclined, will they lay siege to a player's coastal fortress?

[lastofthelight]

As far as I know, you really can't do anything of the like at the current time. I tried in the past with a modded siren race, it never worked out.

[Smew]

Quick question: how do nonplayable aquatic and amphibius civs do under water? Do they thrive? And, if so inclined, will they lay siege to a player's coastal fortress?

Seeing as how there is no tag to tell a civ to start underwater(or is there?), Aquatic races fare very badly I would assume, in that they air-drown immediately, in fact, they might not even be created during world gen.
Amphibious civs would be fine, as they can still live above land.

[lastofthelight]

You /can/ in fact use the starting biome entity token to convince races to start underwater, yes. People have actually done that, at least.

[Smew]

You /can/ in fact use the starting biome entity token to convince races to start underwater, yes. People have actually done that, at least.

The question is, will they create underwater cities?

[TheDJ17]

You /can/ in fact use the starting biome entity token to convince races to start underwater, yes. People have actually done that, at least.

The question is, will they create underwater cities?

The question of the question is, will you be able to vist them in adventure mode?

[lastofthelight]

Supposedly you can fiddle enough to make the cities appear on the map, but visiting them will result in a crash as cities are hardcoded. At least, I do specifically recall one person reporting this...but I've not managed to do so.