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[KaelGotDwarves]

Red Orchestra is the only mainstream game I know that does the Wehrmacht justice - Portraying them as regular soldiers getting caught up in nationalist pride/orders and then attempting to defend their homeland from the Soviet onslaught. No story mode, just reading the mission briefs.

Hell, it's the only game to really capture the feel of the Eastern theater. CoDs don't count.

As well as being the best WW2 Combined Arms FPS game IMHO and one of my favourite fps.

[TheNewerMartianEmperor]

You know, I've actually seen an adventure game that partially takes place in a concentration camp. It's called "I have no mouth and I must scream". It's based on a short story by Harlan Ellison, and is just as nightmarish as it sounds.

[Asehujiko]

I like the idea of breaking the russian encirclement of berlin but I'm not sure if there's enough material there for an entire game, and going the Terminator Salvation route isn't a rally good idea for a new "genre".

[Deon]

You know, I've actually seen an adventure game that partially takes place in a concentration camp. It's called "I have no mouth and I must scream". It's based on a short story by Harlan Ellison, and is just as nightmarish as it sounds.

I must try it, thank you!

[Mohreb el Yasim]

Admittedly its about Gulags so the USSR not Nazis but close.

VERY close. Almost the same.

Even worst 'cause of the time they had to act, and they made less difference in killin'

However i just run trougth the posts and don't see why people speak about nazis if the OP asked about wehrmacht, i am sure that most of the soldiers in wehrmacht were not obsessed with nacional socialist ideology, they were just hating that war as well as most of other soldiers. Idology fanatics had gone to SS or SA, and normal soldiers from axis or allies wanted just to survive that crazy war that gready politiciens started in 1914 (yes WW2 is the finish of WW1 'cause that really never could finished, with those peace terms)

[Il Palazzo]

Really?
http://tigsource.com/articles/2007/04/20/sim-stalag-preview

Admittedly its about Gulags so the USSR not Nazis but close.

If the name(sim-stalg)is in any way relevant to the game concept, then it's more about german military POW camps.

Anyway, isn't it surprising that lots of strategy games let you play the Germans, but only so few fps let you do the same?

[Aqizzar]

You know, I've actually seen an adventure game that partially takes place in a concentration camp. It's called "I have no mouth and I must scream". It's based on a short story by Harlan Ellison, and is just as nightmarish as it sounds.

I must try it, thank you!

Eh, sort of.  It's actually a guy's nightmarishly reconstructed memories of working in a concentration camp.  The game (and the story) was much more about insanity-terror than the real world.  Still awesome though.

However i just run trougth the posts and don't see why people speak about nazis if the OP asked about wehrmacht, i am sure that most of the soldiers in wehrmacht were not obsessed with nacional socialist ideology, they were just hating that war as well as most of other soldiers. Idology fanatics had gone to SS or SA, and normal soldiers from axis or allies wanted just to survive that crazy war that gready politiciens started in 1914 (yes WW2 is the finish of WW1 'cause that really never could finished, with those peace terms)

I got the idea from the movie Stalingrad, which being made by Germans about Germans, did it's best to explain why people signed up for the military under the Nazis.  There were a fair number who were actually in for the world domination rhetoric - there's a rather hilarious scene where the squad talks about all the construction businesses they're going to start in Russia once they're finished conquering it.  But for many it was the same "my country right or wrong" loyalty of soldiers everywhere.  And still not without their cynicism.

'"God is with us!"  It says that on every man's belt buckle...'
'Huh.  No shit, I never noticed.'

[Muz]

To the OP, well.. who wants to play as a Nazi? It's not exactly a fantasy to play a genociding race. If you win as an Allied soldier, you stop the evil Nazis from taking over the world. If you fight a long war and win as a Nazi, you commit mass genocide. All that hard work and you get a really horrible ending.

There are plenty of games where you can play as Nazis, though.. last I recalled Battlefield and Company of Heroes let you. I think it's mainly because there's no storyline link to it.

Similarly, you don't see many serious games with storylines in which you destroy the world. Medieval Total War, Civilization lets you play as the bad guys, but there's no attempt at having an emotional link to the world. Evil Genius and Dungeon Keeper are such parodies that nobody would be sad at winning.

[Leafsnail]

It could be an attempt to show that the soldiers on the other side were not inhumane monsters, and had wives, children and family members who they would leave behind when killed.  While you would end up losing, and it would be a sombre game, if done tastefully it could do well.

[Il Palazzo]

Perhaps games are not meant to be a medium that brings about sobering, angsty or kathartic experiences - they're meant just for pure fun?

[Leafsnail]

Perhaps games are not meant to be a medium that brings about sobering, angsty or kathartic experiences - they're meant just for pure fun?

I was trying to get a counter example, but I can't think of one.  Well, I'm sure games can be sobering - right?

[Duke 2.0]

Perhaps games are not meant to be a medium that brings about sobering, angsty or kathartic experiences - they're meant just for pure fun?

I was trying to get a counter example, but I can't think of one.  Well, I'm sure games can be sobering - right?

While I avidly support the idea that games are fun and that reducing the fun of the game for purposes of plot or storylines or some idea makes it interactive fiction, I assume all gameplay will be very similar to most shooters out there. Just the cutscenes and such would have a very sobering theme. It could be a very fresh idea of playing the side that has often been portrayed as baby-eating monsters or faceless grunts.

 Of course, then we get developers having a more difficult time selling such games and need to make something new. That... would be rather good.

[Leafsnail]

I dunno, the gameplay could be sobering too, as you're gradually forced back by the tide of the enemy (unlike the standard triumphalist affair of most FPS games).

[Strife26]

But you'd have to fix combat to make it believable, you couldn't do the whole running kill count in the thousands. Audie Murphy was not German.

[Leafsnail]

But you'd have to fix combat to make it believable, you couldn't do the whole running kill count in the thousands. Audie Murphy was not German.

Exactly.  You'd have to be careful and know when to keep your head down, rather than the current "Run out and allow the fridge part of your DNA to absorb all the bullets".