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Author Topic: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.  (Read 919 times)

Skorpion

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Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« on: August 08, 2009, 11:41:07 pm »

Specifically, a magma-safe grate hooked up with a non-magma-safe mechanism, so I can open it if some moron gets himself wedged in there.
If I don't open the grate with magma around, will the magma flowing through it cause it to deconstruct?
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 12:17:58 am »

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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 01:53:41 am »

I haven't tested it my self, but I'm betting it won't melt/deconstruct. Most things right now don't react to magma, except for items. Constructions are safe from magma, so don't think a constructed grate/bars will be affected.
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 02:31:41 am »

I haven't tested it my self, but I'm betting it won't melt/deconstruct. Most things right now don't react to magma, except for items. Constructions are safe from magma, so don't think a constructed grate/bars will be affected.

This is not quite true. Anything constructed with b, C is safe from magma and, indeed, ANYTHING in dwarf fortress short of a cave-in.

Other constructions, such as grates and floodgates and coffins, are safe so long as magma doesn't enter their square. If magma flows through their tile, and they are not made of a magma-safe material, they will melt.
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 05:52:12 am »

 Doors can be made of non magma-safe materials too, I expect it's to do with the magma flowing through the tile, rather than the flowing up against it.

 What's important is the mechanism, if that is not magma-safe then it can melt when it hits a high temperature (caused by magma being close to it) and that will cause the item its attached to to deconstruct, and become just a spare floodgate or whatever. The magma will then flow over it.

 There is no real point in linking a grate to a lever. Clearly, by the fact that you are installing a grate, your dwarfs will never go beyond that grate again so you should just install the grate last and use a suspended wall construction on the side you dont want them to stand on.
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 09:11:04 am »

use a suspended wall construction on the side you dont want them to stand on.
That... that's genius!
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 09:35:18 am »

Nothing will get magma damage unless the magma flows over it (except maybe wood; I know wooden pumps will take some damage from pumping it, so those are definitely an exception).  Constructions (anything designated with b, C) are always magma proof.  Grates are buildings not constructions.  Also, non-magmaproof mechanisms will melt and therefore cause the deconstruction of the grate if magma flows through the grate.  So the mechanism must also be magma proof, otherwise it is a one shot deal (assuming the building does not allow liquids to flow through - otherwise it's a zero shot deal).
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 11:36:12 am »

Actually, it being a grate, it wouldn't even be a one shot deal, since grates let liquids go through. The moment some magma goes through the grate, the mechanism should go up in flames and the grate should deconstruct.
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 01:36:04 pm »

Okaaay, so there goes THAT idea, then. Redesign number four in order, then.
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A tendon in the skull has been torn!
The Raven has been knocked unconcious!

Elves do it in trees. Humans do it in wooden structures. Dwarves? Dwarves do it underground. With magma.

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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 02:05:24 pm »

If you're trying to keep out the imps, try fortifications. Magma proof and they let fluids through.

Sigh, I have skimps, I have to build magma-proof cage traps now. Undead imps have been known to slip through fortifications.
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Re: Next up on Will It Melt: Wall grates.
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 08:23:14 pm »

I don't have any imps to keep out. Shot the last one this winter.
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The *large serrated steel disk* strikes the Raven in the head, tearing apart the muscle, shattering the skull, and tearing apart the brain!
A tendon in the skull has been torn!
The Raven has been knocked unconcious!

Elves do it in trees. Humans do it in wooden structures. Dwarves? Dwarves do it underground. With magma.