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[Elvin]

I just got sieged by a very dumbed down version of the orcs, but like the orcs they siege very quickly. Currently I only have three elite wrestlers taking on two large squads of these guys. So I want to know if it's worth arming them with weapons before I send them to their likely death ( and the destruction of my fortress, too)

EDIT: Wow, massive drafting actually paid off. Beat them all, and captured a rogue GCS in the process somehow...slightly odd, but i'm not gonna complain about free silk

Thanks

[Zankaru]

I have some related questions and think ive made enough threads this week. Sorry about hi-jacking your thread but ya seem to already have your question answered.

1. Was wanting to know if there was any point in training my legendary wrestlers in other weapons? Like would a legendary axe-dwarf / masterpiece addy axe do more damage than a legendary wrestler punching someone with the same skill level?

2. Are there any weapons or armor that speeds up gaining armor skill while sparring more than others? (sparring with axes levels armor skill faster than hammers? etc.) My dwarves seem to have hit a brick wall after reaching the stats I posted below, have them training with war-hammers currently.

3. Does having a shield equipped slow down armor skill training since dwarves can block hits instead of taking hits on their armor?

4. Is there a cap on military dwarves gaining skills? Like getting 4 legendary skills and cant learn any-more.

Currently they both are like this:
Ultra-Mighty
Perfectly Agile
Superdwarvenly Tough
Legendary Wrestler
Legendary Shield User
Expert Armor User

[Elvin]

Feels odd that i'm answering these, but oh well 

1. It is worth training them in weapons. Weapons ( at any quality level I think, but certainly at finely crafted and above) will do more damage than a legendary wrestler. The wrestling is still useful though, as if the guy gets swarmed so that there is another enemy occupying the same tile as him, he'll have to wrestle.

2. I think armour levels go up simply by wearing and moving around in armour, and I also think that heavier stuff, I.E. Plate mail makes it increase faster. But start them on chainmail otherwise they'll be very slow due to encumbrance.

3. Nope, you can train as many weapon types as you want to to Legendary, and also have legendary wrestling, armour usage and shield. Look in the Dwarf Mode discussion forum for the thread " the most interesting dwarf in the world"

[Elvang]

2. Are there any weapons or armor that speeds up gaining armor skill while sparring more than others? (sparring with axes levels armor skill faster than hammers? etc.) My dwarves seem to have hit a brick wall after reaching the stats I posted below, have them training with war-hammers currently.

3. Does having a shield equipped slow down armor skill training since dwarves can block hits instead of taking hits on their armor?

Armor user increases anytime they get hit on a location with armor (shields do not count), either from an enemy or during sparring. Shield user increases anytime a block role is attempted. So if you have a legendary wrestler with no skill in armor user and shield user, he'll gain shield user much quicker than armor user. A successful block doesn't add to armor user, and legendary wrestlers dodge a lot. Not sure if weapon skill only goes up on hits, or anytime a roll is made.

EDIT: Information
Armor User
Shield User
Weapon type damage
Effects of criticals

[mjo625]

Not sure if weapon skill only goes up on hits, or anytime a roll is made.

It's on a hit only, but hits to shields or armor count. So if you have a pair of legendary wrestlers and you switch them to a weapon, it goes HORRIBLY SLOW.

I would recommend not going higher than competent wrestler (I stick to novice, but that's just me) before switching to a weapon. Once you reach legendary with the weapon you can switch back to wrestling. Leave wrestling skill a couple of points behind weapon skill though.

[Skorpion]

I have some related questions and think ive made enough threads this week. Sorry about hi-jacking your thread but ya seem to already have your question answered.

1. Was wanting to know if there was any point in training my legendary wrestlers in other weapons? Like would a legendary axe-dwarf / masterpiece addy axe do more damage than a legendary wrestler punching someone with the same skill level?

2. Are there any weapons or armor that speeds up gaining armor skill while sparring more than others?.

3. Does having a shield equipped slow down armor skill training since dwarves can block hits instead of taking hits on their armor?

4. Is there a cap on military dwarves gaining skills?

1. Yes, and no. Weapons do far more damage than wrestling.

2. Wrestling trains faster than anything.

3. Nope, it just trains shield use at the same time.

4. None at all.

[Zankaru]

Thanks once again yall

[Grendus]

I have some related questions and think ive made enough threads this week. Sorry about hi-jacking your thread but ya seem to already have your question answered.

1. Was wanting to know if there was any point in training my legendary wrestlers in other weapons? Like would a legendary axe-dwarf / masterpiece addy axe do more damage than a legendary wrestler punching someone with the same skill level?

With no doubt. While a legendary wrestler would have a decent chance against a legendary axedwarf (if he grabbed the axedwarf's weapon hand he might actually have a better chance), a legendary wrestler/axedwarf could kill both of them. Wrestlers are good vs single targets, but weapons kill much faster and are better against multiple enemies.

2. Are there any weapons or armor that speeds up gaining armor skill while sparring more than others? (sparring with axes levels armor skill faster than hammers? etc.) My dwarves seem to have hit a brick wall after reaching the stats I posted below, have them training with war-hammers currently.

The others covered this, but basically you want the dwarf to take more hits to increase armor and shield user skills. I would suggest simply having them train with the same silver/wooden weapons until they reach legendary axedwarf/hammerdwarf/whatever. Successful hits while sparring do reduced damage and increase the chance the blow won't be dodged, which means a shield block and landed blow roll.

3. Does having a shield equipped slow down armor skill training since dwarves can block hits instead of taking hits on their armor?

Probably. I wouldn't recommend it though, shield user is a much better talent. Armor user only reduces the weight of the armor, shield user actually increases their chance of blocking the incoming attack.

4. Is there a cap on military dwarves gaining skills? Like getting 4 legendary skills and cant learn any-more.

Nope. Go track down the most interesting dwarf in the world thread, Morul is legendary in all non-military weapons and 4 military skills I believe.

[Elvin]

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Due to a thread hijack my question has gone completely unanswered.

[TKTom]

*bump*

Due to a thread hijack my question has gone completely unanswered.

 You solved the problem? It is answered anyway. Wrestling is useful, even for weapon wielders but weapon wielders will do more damage than wrestlers. So, yes, it's rarely a bad idea to improve the skills of professional wrestlers by having them train with other weapons.

 If you literally just bung them an axe and then send them out the door, that's probably a bad idea.

[Jim Groovester]

Alright, I'm a little late, but I see that the question is still basically unanswered.

Your elite wrestlers are not skilled enough to take on squads alone by wrestling. And really, wrestling sucks for killing things. So I think you should give them weapons, so that they at least have a chance to do some damage, but they will also be pretty awful at killing things with those weapons.

I'd put some armor on your legendary miners to help out your elite wrestlers. With both, they might be able to deal with whatever comes, until your soldiers are in better shape to take on things on their own.

[dragon0421]

If you don't want to sacrifice your dwarves, you could always hole yourself in. Orc sieges generally only last one season before they get bored and leave.

[Time Kitten]

Wresling can be a valuable asset to a mixxed squad, as if you aren't already badly outnumbered (and I usually am, one woodcutter vs two squads of 8 goblins twice each ambush)  then the wrestler will basicly grab the opponent, then the opponent, instead of attacking, is likely to try to break the grip, basicly giving up their turn... while your axe dwarves hack at it's ankles.

[Satarus]

Wrestling boosts the chance to dodge so it is always a plus.  I train my dwarves up in wrestling and then give them weapons.  It cuts down on sparring injuries and helps them survive when I send my troops out to kill the goblins.

[Albedo]

Successful wrestling grapple must be countered with the "wrestling" skill, and/or suffer a penalty to any weapon skill.  (It's believed to be patterned from the Adventure Mode combat - see that for full details.)  Also, a successful grapple significantly increase the chances of inflicting automatic damage the next round - a bonus for the untrained.

So, if that elite axegoblin get grappled, they can either flail away at a penalty, or counter with -no skill- wrestling.  However, as mentioned, the wrestler then gets to take their time in slowly breaking arms and choking their opponent - one good swing with an axe and a limb goes flying, and the wrestler bleeds out.  (Wrestling can get lucky and one-punch an opponent, but it's rare - has to be a critical to the throat, etc.)

I remember reading a persuasive argument that a band of wrestlers can be more effective against something like a Bronze Collossus than a band of weapon-dwarfs - the weapons all bounce off and the BC then squashes one after another, but the wrestlers slowly tire the creature (who must counter the wrestling), and eventually (after some losses), one of them gets the BC in a double chicken-wing and figure-four leg lock, and it's all over.  (Meanwhile, the weapon dwarfs who try to go toe-to-toe get pwned one after another, pwn pwn pwn pwn, one swing and they drop.) 

Can't swear to it from personal experience, but the OP was convincing.