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[Zangi]

I can suggest a policy equal to NeoGaf.

Ban people for admitting that they pirate games.  Temp ban or something.  Though, it puts more work in Toadies hands....
It is probably better off in the end that talk of piracy be purposefully heavily derailed or ignored by members.  No problems need be made.

[Neonivek]

How about if you know you wouldn't buy the game?

Well you don't know in most cases. But it doesn't really make it right to me but it makes it ignorable.

I remember reading a study that people who pirate music are apparently eight time more likely to actually buy it or something similar.

Yes but that was an independent study made by a highly qualified group of people with no connections to the Video Game Industry and thus was biased

Actually it isn't so much Biased as it is meaningless with a biased implied conclusion.

It all has to do with the fact of "Who is the one Pirating music?"

The reality is that most people who pirate are the people who also take Videogames or music as a hobby and thus they would buy the most games/music. Same with anyone who takes games/music as a hobby who don't pirate. (also 8 times more likely then the average person is rather low)

The Bias comes from painting it as "The act of Piracy itself makes people buy more games". Which the scientists better feel lucky this wasn't a racial study because I do not want to see the results on that nor the reaction once people see it.

That's why piracy is the same as stealing.

Uhh... No... Piracy is stealing.

You see the game itself is the property of the company that made it, when you make a copy via pirating they own that copy.

So you are stealing from them. Your stealing their rights to their own property at minimum.

[Jreengus]

Piracy isn't really true theft though, because it's possible to pirate without the company losing something, if you pirate something you would never have bought the company hasn't even lost a sale. Compare to if I go into a supermarket and steal a game CD that supermarket can no longer sell the CD. Piracy is intellectual theft which in my opinion shouldn't be classed as theft at all. I'm stealing their right to be the sole producer of that game which is an entirely different kettle of fish.

[Neonivek]

Piracy isn't really true theft though

Theft involves you taking possessions or property. Your only dealing with ONE of those.

When you make a copy everything on that disk is their property.

When you prevent the company access to use their property and you chose to possess it against their will in what way isn't it theft?

Edit addition: Opps you already said it was Theft... No wait.. you said it shouldn't...

"I'm stealing their right to be the sole producer of that game which is an entirely different kettle of fish"

It actually stems from property rights not from intellectual rights (which is more recent).

[Micro102]

Yes but copying 100 disks and selling them at $30 each means your taking money away from the company that put all that work into it....Also im pretty sure the EULA or something like that says that you will not distribute copys of this game or thats its against the law or something.

[Sordid]

When you prevent the company access to use their property and you chose to possess it against their will in what way isn't it theft?

And in what way does making a copy of some data prevent the company from accessing that data?

[Neonivek]

in what way does making a copy of some data prevent the company from accessing that data?

OOH!!! I didn't think you would say this. Equivocating the original with the copy.

Simple do they have access to the disk or your computer?

[Thndr]

I can suggest a policy equal to NeoGaf.

Ban people for admitting that they pirate games.  Temp ban or something.  Though, it puts more work in Toadies hands....
It is probably better off in the end that talk of piracy be purposefully heavily derailed or ignored by members.  No problems need be made.

Or we can be friendly and not talk about how to pirate things as if you don't know how, you shouldn't do it.

Banning people for admitting that they somehow procured a game off from the internet through illicit means is a stupid rule that only would classify people who crimethink piracy as unpersons.
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Anyway, most people do know if they would or would not buy a game, however the trying of the game could very well change their mind. Now most people will just say "Hey, I actually like this game" and not buy it because they already have it, but a lot of people will also go out and buy the official game, especially if there is incentive for buying the game. An example would be to actually be able to play online with people.

And in what way does making a copy of some data prevent the company from accessing that data?

Invasive DRM, of course.
You prevent the company from getting into your computer to make sure your copy is legal, and if it isn't they'll try to disable it.

[Sordid]

Simple do they have access to the disk or your computer?

Fuck no. And in case I have a legal copy, fuck no as well. So your point is...?

[Neonivek]

your point is...?

I dont... need... to go further...

So I think I just failed to project my point OR we are both using different definition.

[Sordid]

Well I really don't see it. The company has no right to access anything on my computer, regardless of what copy protection scheme their product uses. Sure, I may not be able to use their product if I don't allow the online activation and whatnot (and I should point out the vast majority of software actually does allow for an offline activation), but they don't have a right to that. I can choose to allow or disallow it as I please.

[Micro102]

I don't get what you 2 are trying to say...But again, doesn't the EULA or box say that you can't make copies?

[a1s]

in what way does making a copy of some data prevent the company from accessing that data?

OOH!!! I didn't think you would say this. Equivocating the original with the copy.

actually, either it is equal, in which case they have access, or it isn't in which case you previous point (about property rights) is if not invalid, not entirely correct.

P.S.

Spoiler:  grammar naziness (click to show/hide)

you can't equivocate X with Y, "equivocation" means "using ambiguous or unclear expressions, usually to avoid commitment or in order to mislead" (so it has one object  (X equivocated), rather then 2). I'm assuming you meant "equating"

[Neonivek]

Alright this discussion has degenerated too much for me... We are already getting people correcting grammar while using equally bad grammar.

[Sordid]

But again, doesn't the EULA or box say that you can't make copies?

For the EULA to be applicable you'd have to agree to it, which a pirate obviously isn't going to do. But yes, the law does state that you can't make copies. Although I was under the impression were were discussing morality, not legality (not much to discuss there).