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« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2009, 12:44:50 am »


I assume thats Locke (Or whatever his name is) from lost, who looks sort of like that Roman Statue, statues looking like people from after it was made are common dude.
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The first time I've heard anything like this.  For those of you who can't be bothered to read this...  You're missing out on something that sounds like something out of a spy novel, rather then something actually done in real life.  I never really did get the whole scientology thing, but having a past like this probably hasn't done them any favors.
Scientology and Anonymous?  Damn I thought there was enough in the world with the KKK remnants and the Neo Nazis.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2009, 03:20:17 am »

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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2009, 04:57:40 am »

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Scientology and Anonymous?  Damn I thought there was enough in the world with the KKK remnants and the Neo Nazis.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2009, 05:01:09 am »

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First of all, I don't really think that's their expressed viewpoint.
Ok, technically you're right.  Their expressed viewpoint is that all black people should be slaves, and they can die if they don't want to.  On the other hand, they are more than prepared to incite and perform acts of violence to further their cause.

Over here in Britain the inciting violence laws are stronger.  You certainly wouldn't be allowed shock jocks or groups along the line of the KKK.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2009, 01:24:46 pm »

I think he she means true freedom, not democracy (democracy=freedom to an extent, freedom =/= democracy), as freedom fits into that statement a bit better and is more noticeably relevant.

Somewhat off-topic thoughtfodder:  Can one really rely on a wiki article about an extremist group?

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No, I really was referring to democracy. A pure democracy is the rule, literally, of the people, where the people are themselves the governing body rather than having representatives for them (like the Senate). It's a greek idea that didn't work, which is why they ended up with oligarchies multiple times.

Pure democracy, like communism, can work great on a small scale, when an actual community is involved (hence, the name communism can be very appropriate). But once the group of people gets much larger than a small village or group of intentional community living folk, it becomes unworkable. And actually, in a small group like that, there are probably better ways to govern than pure democracy, because it's small enough that you can work on consensus-building and so forth.

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Ok, technically you're right.  Their expressed viewpoint is that all black people should be slaves, and they can die if they don't want to.
And they have every inalienable right to express that viewpoint if they want to.
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On the other hand, they are more than prepared to incite and perform acts of violence to further their cause.
I think living in Britain, you may have a bit of an exaggerated notion of what the KKK is. They used to be a horrifying and dangerous terrorist group, now they're pretty much a social club for stupid rednecks. They're all talk. Once in a while some of them may do something criminal or threatening to minorities, but for the most part they're just sitting around and being obnoxious. And I think you're still missing the point I've been making, which is that opinions and actions are separate: even if someone's opinion leads them to certain illegal behaviors, you can't outlaw the opinion, only the behavior.
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Over here in Britain the inciting violence laws are stronger.  You certainly wouldn't be allowed shock jocks or groups along the line of the KKK.
As much as it seems nice not to have Ann Coulter and the KKK voicing their opinions, I'd much rather have that than have the government have the power to silence opinions just because they offend the majority. The first amendment is in my opinion the most important part of the US constitution, and unarguably defines a right that is absolutely fundamental to any free society.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2009, 01:27:17 pm »

What does anyone think about the Neo Nazis? I never really got to see any or research about them that much so I can't tell.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2009, 02:38:19 pm »

have the government have the power to silence opinions just because they offend the majority minority.
Fixed, in the case of the KKK (and other similar groups).  And there is a motto, "majority rule, minority rights," which can be interpreted various ways. 

Remember that the constitution is open to interpretation (talking now about the said amendments), particularly the earlier parts that use turn of phrases different from those we use today (such as the first), or were oirginally made without expecting modern developments.  See Supreme Court.  No part of the constitution is adamant and unbending.  This is why there can actually a question over the second amendment.  If that one is questionable, so are all others of the bill of rights.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2009, 02:41:11 pm »

If the majority are not horrified by the actions of the KKK then there is little hope for the country.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2009, 05:27:55 pm »

have the government have the power to silence opinions just because they offend the majority minority.
Fixed, in the case of the KKK (and other similar groups).
What's to fix? The views of the KKK offend most people (the majority).

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Remember that the constitution is open to interpretation (talking now about the said amendments), particularly the earlier parts that use turn of phrases different from those we use today (such as the first), or were oirginally made without expecting modern developments.  See Supreme Court.  No part of the constitution is adamant and unbending.  This is why there can actually a question over the second amendment.  If that one is questionable, so are all others of the bill of rights.

OK, so the first amendment is questionable - as in, you can question it. But it's still THE most essential right for people to have and therefore the government's duty is to protect it. Anything but protection of free speech by a government amounts to the government having the right to choose certain opinions to censor, and that can never end well. It is simply a right that people should not be able to take from each other, via the government or any other way.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2009, 06:28:24 pm »

If the majority are not horrified by the actions of the KKK then there is little hope for the country.

Horrified? No.  Rather not be associated with it, yes.

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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2009, 07:48:22 pm »

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"We are superior to these lesser beings of different color!"  (Get the connection?  No?  Too bad.)

Is it a reference to the fate of soapmakers in DF?
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2009, 08:12:35 pm »

When you acknowledge that John Locke is actually Titus Flavius Vespasian. And he will have his vengeance, in this life or the next.

No. Seriously. You've pulled this shit before (I think) and it's really, really annoying seeing a thread with actual discussion getting derailed by idiocy for no reason.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #87 on: August 13, 2009, 12:09:58 am »

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No. Seriously.
why so serious?
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You've pulled this shit before (I think)
you think? prove it.
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and it's really, really annoying seeing a thread with actual discussion getting derailed by idiocy for no reason.
You dare call me an idiot   :o? This matter shall be solved in the field of honor! *slap*

Actually, I'm going to be frank with you. I didnt even know that this thread had a specific topic because I saw the title and assumed that it was one of the other silly threads like "generic thread title". Given their aboundance I dont think I can be blamed for that.
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2009, 02:03:03 pm »

^ So... you didn't read a thing?
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Re: But where are the dwarves?
« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2009, 02:04:37 pm »

Someone get back on topic.
So why does Scientology and Anonmyous hate eachother anyways?
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