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[blah28722]

After creating a couple of thousand year old worlds, it's surprising to me that goblins seem to be the most effective killers in history.

There's usually a couple of goblins that were born during the first century, but have yet to die. As a result of their occasional raid participation, they've racked up well over a hundred kills. One of my record holders was a goblin who had lived 1030 or so years and had over 500 total kills.

I've tried to make uber orcs with massive amounts of damblock and size, but they've never been as successful as vanilla goblins.

What am I doing wrong?

[snuflufagus]

Are the historical uber-goblins using bows or crossbows?  At least in Fortress mode, it always seemed that the goblins brought more ranged weaponry than Rysith's orcs...

[blah28722]

Are the historical uber-goblins using bows or crossbows?  At least in Fortress mode, it always seemed that the goblins brought more ranged weaponry than Rysith's orcs...

Bows aren't deadly in worldgen, as far as I know.

Worldgen uses very simple combat formulas, and something with the goblin's behavior allows them to live for thousands of years and chip away towards a massive kill count.

[DeathOfRats]

Could be the lack of a [NOFEAR] tag? Maybe at worldgen it allows them to flee if they're close to being killed, so there's a higher chance of survival for them.

[Meanmelter]

goblins are only difficult in about the first year or two in your fort/town/camp/cave/village/tribe/tower/castle/keep.

[Teldin]

The reasons goblins have so many high kills is because they murder other goblins in their towns and thus accumulate massive kill numbers. Many goblins don't even go out on raids, but rack up kills because of murders (and they also sometimes murder kidnapping victims).

In worldgen, bows are definitely very powerful. You'll see a lot of 'shot and killed' for this very reason. In my creaturepack I have centaurs who primarily use bows and if I didn't carefully restrict their biomes they would immediately spread and completely destroy anyone else.

[Telcontar]

Yes, murders of other goblins often get them Heroic names, I've found. Kind of a let-down really. Also, I believe that vanilla goblins have no MAXAGE, allowing them all the time they'd like to kill, but I could be wrong.

I also suppose it might have something to do with them often being led by a demon, though that would be a less direct impact...

[Funk]

snaching helps them keep up there numbers in the long run.

[Vester]

Yes, murders of other goblins often get them Heroic names, I've found. Kind of a let-down really. Also, I believe that vanilla goblins have no MAXAGE, allowing them all the time they'd like to kill, but I could be wrong.

I also suppose it might have something to do with them often being led by a demon, though that would be a less direct impact...

Wait, what?

Goblins are immortal?!

[Stargrave]

this information that has been brought to light is most distressing...

the high council of "the tactical ramparts" will have to convene on this matter.

[Rowanas]

I even posted up a comment about it in a thread, about the inhumanity of slaughtering an aeons old goblin just because I could, and then beating his inexhaustibly wise friend over the head with it until he bled out.

NOW DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?

[Vester]

I even posted up a comment about it in a thread, about the inhumanity of slaughtering an aeons old goblin just because I could, and then beating his inexhaustibly wise friend over the head with it until he bled out.

NOW DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?

Inhumanity.

Inhumanity.

Inhumanity?!

WE. ARE. DWAAAAAAAAARVES!!!

... ahem.

[Gaz-1]

I also noticed over long periods of time (~1000 years or so) that civilisations with [BABYSNATCHER] tend to consist mostly of their 'slave race'. I've had orcs die out in my worlds but their groups still function because they are full of humans or elves or other kidnapped races.