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bluea

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Breeding Beak Dogs
« on: August 01, 2009, 12:43:55 pm »
I've read up on this for a bit, and I'm still somewhat confused.

The goblins of my area are invariably mounted on beak dogs. To the point that all of my people have beak dog gear (quiver, backpack, waterskin), armor, and shoes.

It's really quite irritating - they move quite quickly. But now I'm to the point where the only uncertain thing about an invasion is where -exactly- the squads of legendary champions make a mess.

I've got a Dungeon Master, and a row of (built) cages full of beak dog. I'm running 40d13, if that matters.

What -precisely- should I be doing to allow breeding?

I've got some ideas (they should be outside of cages, probably in a pit or restraints, I might need a DM) but I'm not positive that has a chance of success.

These aren't "wildlife," they were part of the invading force. But they aren't sentient. (One hopes, we're living off beak dog roast :)

Do I wait for the DM to tame them? Can I spark that somehow?

If all else fails, what -precisely- do I need to learn how to hack to get this to work?
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 12:59:37 pm »
I think that if you sling them into a pit outside of a cage, beakies will breed so long as you've managed to catch at least a breeding pair. Judging by the number you've caught, I'm pretty sure you have.

I've never toyed much with beakie breeding, though. The few beak dogs that blitz through the magma shower ahead of the lever-puller dwarf usually get thrown to the monkeys. (Pit full of tame rhesus macaques; I don't care if they're tiny little monkeys, they still have teeth and poo flinging!)
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009, 01:05:43 pm »
I've never managed to get beakdog riding gobbos before. The seiges eventually just stop and I never see them again.

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009, 01:15:16 pm »
They've been on beak dogs since practically the first attack here. And I've -crushed- a couple of the sieges.

I've got an inner keep (original defenses), a decent castle, and a moat circling the known universe... with lots of spread out bars I can raise to lock them all -inside- the moat. They can visit, they don't get to leave. :D

So it isn't a matter of me waiting for them to get strong enough. I must be near a significant goblin stronghold already.

So, should I be taming them before pitting them? They don't show up on my "Tame a large animal" list.Which means I'm relying upon my Dungeon Master to do the taming. Correct?
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2009, 01:27:30 pm »
Hate to burst your bubble, but Beak Dogs don't have a [TAMEABLE] or [TAMEABLE_EXOTIC] tag. Means dwarves can't tame them. You could throw them into a death pit and let them eat your enemies, just be careful - if they escape while being pitted they will go after your dwarves, so be sure the dwarves who throw them into the pit either have a military escort or an assigned war dog or two as they're very powerful.
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 01:31:01 pm »
Are those tags something I can retroactively add to an existing game somehow? (Should I be reading up on modding? Or is it just hopeless?)
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2009, 01:38:15 pm »
Plus, this is an 'old fort'. Practically everyone has had an extensive stint as Pump Operator as I was diverting the brook and putting floodgates across its mouth. Then the mandatory wrestling so I can draft anyone on a whim. The beak dogs are the ones needing a protective escort, we're used to eating them. ;)
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 03:22:09 pm »
Yeah, you can add those tags to your existing game. For reference, the tags are actually [PET] and [PET_EXOTIC]. The ones with the [PET_EXOTIC] tag are the ones that can only be tamed by dungeon masters. You could also add [trAINABLE] to make war beak dogs to help your dwarves in combat. Imagine that.
Goblin Redshirt: Hey Rover, I was wondering where you were!
Rover the Reformed Beakdog: *bites goblin redshirt*
The lower body is ripped off and remains in the Beak Dog's grip!
Goblin McMacegoblin, Macegoblin, has been struck down.
Urist McBeakdogtrainer: Good doggy!
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 03:57:41 pm »
Most excellent.

I added [PET] and [trAINABLE] to the Beak Dog raw, deleted 'data/objects' and my game didn't crash. :D The kennels now let "Tame large animal" show me Beak dogs.

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 05:51:08 pm »
Wasn't there some problem with mounted units in ambush mode? The horses gave birth to foals, "An Ambush! Curse them!" message, and then it gets a bit fuzzy for me. Did they attack the foals that had revealed them, or had they ignored them or were being chased away by them?

Because if it is the first, you're going to have a bit of problem there.
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 08:26:05 pm »
Quote from: elizar on August 01, 2009, 05:51:08 pm
Wasn't there some problem with mounted units in ambush mode? The horses gave birth to foals, "An Ambush! Curse them!" message, and then it gets a bit fuzzy for me. Did they attack the foals that had revealed them, or had they ignored them or were being chased away by them?

Because if it is the first, you're going to have a bit of problem there.

I believe the bug is mounts give birth, babys are somehow on your side, hourses are somehow civilian and they run from their own baby (yeah that sounds odd even as I type it but I believe its correct). Shouldn't matter if your just taming them as attack dog-type units
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2009, 12:52:16 am »
I've saw a post elsewhere on the forum that implied that even animals that come in from off the map (not ones with spawnpoints like wildlife and stuff) can breed, although it was merchant animals that were being talked about, plus I never had it happen myself. Maybe beak dogs stuck in a pit eventually breed too.
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2009, 06:49:39 pm »
Becareful if anything gets 1 taste of dwarven blood it will always be hostile even if you tame'd it
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 06:55:08 pm »
The problem with hostile animals is that they will always be hostile, even after taming.

What you need to do is let a few beak dogs roam around for about a season or two, and then cage trap them again. When you get the message about beak puppies (I don't know what the children are called) being born, release the children and then let your champions deal with the original beak dogs.

Using this, I managed to get a thriving horse population from elf, human, and dwarf sieges (I'm playing as goblins) where no horse populations existed on my map.
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Re: Breeding Beak Dogs
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2009, 01:28:36 pm »
Hmm.

I made a pen, and dumped eight Beak Dogs into it. (After luring all of my pets in there as part of the Master Plan.) They were listed as "Invader" on my "u" screen. I've added "PET" and "TRAINABLE" to the raws.

1) Is there a 'best practices' for pitting things? Because there was more fun involved than you'd think.

2) Horses can fight. Wow. I lured him into a doorway I could lock. (Yay planning!)

3) The children are called "Beak dog pups". And I got two in less than a year. They appeared on the map as "Hostile" under "u".

4) The other beak dogs eventually ripped them to shreds. Hum.

Should I be taming the "Invader" Beak dogs first? Because I was actually having more trouble pitting "Stray Beak Dogs" than regular old just-caught Beak Dogs.

And I have chains, will the breeding all go fine if every single Beak Dog is on a chain?
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