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[Darkmere]

You know, there's a huge chunk of the main setting (The Game) that is completely unfathomable because we have never seen it done right. There's hints of how it's "supposed" to be, but all those come from failures. Even the victory that creates universe C was a giant orchestrated clusterfuck engineered more or less just to allow LE to exist.

For that matter, there can't be a satisfactory ending to LE's threat. He can travel non-linearly through time. So we only get glimpses of what he's done at different points on his personal timeline. Anywhere, at any time, could be threatened by him in perpetuity. Even better by the fact that the last scene of the entire comic is a visual callback to a previous villain ruining the characters' victory.

[Putnam]

A2 was the game done right.

[Dermonster]

A2 was the game done right.

Is that the dancestor one? Theres so many modifiers I forget what is what.

[Darkmere]

A2 was the game done right.

They got the bad ending because they didn't find the last frog, gave the next universe a terminal cancer, and failed before they could enter their universe (granted, it was all rigged but that's what I was talking about). At least one of them (Eridan, if memory serves. Likely all the rest except possibly Kanaya, we never find out what she was asked to do) never did their character quest. Someone even says it's likely they were denied victory because they approached the game the wrong way, though that was a long time ago.

[Putnam]

A1: Dancestors

A2: Trolls we give a shit about

B1: John Rose Dave Jade

B2: Jane Jake Dirk Roxy

C: Caliborn

A2 was the game done right.

They got the bad ending because they didn't find the last frog, gave the next universe a terminal cancer, and failed before they could enter their universe (granted, it was all rigged but that's what I was talking about). At least one of them (Eridan, if memory serves. Likely all the rest except possibly Kanaya, we never find out what she was asked to do) never did their character quest. Someone even says it's likely they were denied victory because they approached the game the wrong way, though that was a long time ago.

They did find the last frog. They just rushed the hell out of it.

Karkat blames himself, but it was basically Caliborn's fault. Doc Scratch, in particular.

[Dermonster]

Behold, an album of music.

[Darkmere]

They did find the last frog. They just rushed the hell out of it.

Karkat blames himself, but it was basically Caliborn's fault. Doc Scratch, in particular.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005904 and the following panels.

Bec Noir killed one frog. They were short the DNA sequence from the last one, and it sounds like Karkat said "close enough, let's go fight" so they didn't look for... the frog corpse, I guess. The missing sequence from one frog caused their BSlick to get cancer, then Bec Noir, who went back and kept the trolls from claiming their victory. It was engineered in advance, but they failed.

[Putnam]

He said explicitly in that conversation that all the hasty frog stuff he did was fixed by future Aradiabots.

Bec Noir killed the one frog in A2, yeah, but that was the actual genesis frog containing B. He didn't even show up until after they had already made the frog.

[TheBiggerFish]

Behold, an album of music.

Yeah.

The price is going up too.

[Sergarr]

He said explicitly in that conversation that all the hasty frog stuff he did was fixed by future Aradiabots.

Bec Noir killed the one frog in A2, yeah, but that was the actual genesis frog containing B. He didn't even show up until after they had already made the frog.

Besides, weren't they using the seeing-through-time copy machine for frog stuff? I don't think something as trivial as causal and time-linear murder could stop someone from copying frog's DNA with that sort of gear.

[Darkmere]

He said explicitly in that conversation that all the hasty frog stuff he did was fixed by future Aradiabots.

Bec Noir killed the one frog in A2, yeah, but that was the actual genesis frog containing B. He didn't even show up until after they had already made the frog.

No, he said the doomed Aradias told him about stuff that made it impossible to win (presumably he rushed through frog breeding even worse in doomed timelines that just made the breeding fail altogether). He then goes on to talk about missing a frog and the whole giving a universe cancer thing... which wouldn't have existed if Aradias fixed it. They kinda "won" in that they made a universe, but didn't get their endgame because he missed a frog... explicitly stated as happening before Bec Noir showed up. So you're right about that, I'm not sure what the dead frog in Noir's hand is.

[Putnam]

Those were doomed aradiabots from timelines where Karkat made it impossible to win. It's even mentioned that they're doomed aradias on that page. Note the emphasis here:

PCG: SHE WAS CONSTANTLY FIXING MY FUCKUPS.
PCG: ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE ALWAYS COMING BACK TO TELL ME HOW SOME HASTY SHIT I DID WITH FROG BREEDING OR WHATEVER WOULD MAKE IT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN.

[Darkmere]

I'm not sure you're even reading what I'm saying, because we're referencing the exact same line and I'm going forward in the exact same conversation. I've explained what I'm trying to say as plainly as I can, and from what I can tell your argument is a violation of logic and events on the page.

But I'm tired of spamming the thread, so fuck it, I guess.

[Putnam]

The dead frog in Jack's hand is a random-ass frog from B1. You can see the scratch overhead.

[Dorsidwarf]

I think he means the part where Karkat explicitly stated that he missed a frog, the lack of which's genes gave BS 'cancer' in the form of hyper aggressive Noir (whether he was right about that causing Jack or just beating himself up for things that weren't his fault as normal is another matter.