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[Sergarr]

This whole "quadrant" meta-commentary by Hussie is getting a bit overdone, I think.

Judging by the amount of people talking about "human now can have black romance feelings?" on social networks, it was not overdone. People were believing that "black romance" was something biologically limited to trolls and that humans were biologically unable to do that.

[Darkmere]

I think that's what makes it funny. It's so utterly mundane.

By overdone I mean completely over-exposed. I think it was taken to that extreme just because trolls revere it the same mythical way fandoms go overboard with shipping, like there's no way to view characters AT ALL apart from who needs to be paired up. Nepeta was kind of a joke character poking fun at that fact, but people keep going on and on making such a huge deal over it regardless, even after such a direct statement from Dave.

[Dermonster]

I don't think you're supposed to have both a love lover and a hate lover simultaneously on earth though...

Troll Polygamy, it's not a closed shape.

[Bauglir]

I don't think you're supposed to have both a love lover and a hate lover simultaneously on earth though...

Troll Polygamy, it's not a closed shape.

what if one person is both from day to day

some lovely vacillation i see there

[Solifuge]

I was under the impression that this bit of Troll Romance stuff was just a way of drawing a parallel to human sexuality/relationships. Dave is actually talking about how it's weird that we gender our relationships, John was not getting that, and all the stuff about "humans can Blackrom?!" was an allegory for Daves point; that all people can feel love and even attraction to all people regardless of gender, but cultural biases and training have gotten those feelings repressed and confused.

The whole bit was speaking to Homestucks root as a coming-of-age story in the internet age. One doesn't turn gay, and one doesn't turn caliginous. They're just part of the potential of any person's relationships or emotional lives. John represents the cultural views expressed in much of the world regarding Homosexuality as an uncomfortable and non-standard but Okay way of being. Dave represents the growing minority that say gender and sexual preference are cultural constructs, not Human Nature.

But maybe that's just me?

[Darkmere]

Well, humans have something of an innate need to gender our relationships just because only one pairing actually propagates the species. We're moving beyond that, by degrees, as a civilization. But there's still the crushing weight of formality that's been ingrained in us to view things a certain way and label that as "normal".

The contrast here is that troll society also has a biological imperative enforced on them by the breeding drones, but they still have the same types of ingrained imperatives in seeking that "one true relationship" in each type and classifying that relationship as some kind of ideal. It's just as much overthought melodrama and posturing that stresses people out and causes unhealthy tension.

The unhealthier bits are pretty much the core of Vriska's, Equius', and Eridan's character profiles. Eridan couldn't cope with social pressure, so he built the hypocritical self-superior facade as a defense mechanism until it failed and he emotionally snapped. Equius is so ingrained in the system that he emotionally suppressed or even fetishized his true feelings (apart from his weird blather he genuinely cared for Aradia and Tavros, helping them with robot parts). Vriska spent most of her life in two emotionally abusive relationships - spidermom and the Marquise's journal. Trying to fulfil those obligations, real from spidermom and culturally imposed by the journal, caused her to make horrible life choices and generally be the huge bitch that had to be stabbed to death. Looking at her choices objectively was the only way she was able to move on and accomplish things without much direct force, even if the self-aggrandizement is still there. It's why pirate!Vriska calmed down from watching Aranea's idiocy, and the current alpha is still alive thanks to an Egbert facepunch.

[frostshotgg]

I'm going to tell you to stop, and gently remind you that you're justifying Vriska. I'd advise you to reevaluate your position.

[Bauglir]

You, uh, you got somethin' against Vriska? u havin' a giggle m8?

[Sergarr]

Vriska is life

[Putnam]

I'm going to tell you to stop, and gently remind you that you're justifying Vriska. I'd advise you to reevaluate your position.

no

she got character development and shit

she went from bombastic and overbearing and evil to just bombastic and overbearing i mean you can't ignore that

[Liber celi]

That was a lot... awkward? I mean, Dave makes very good points there and all, but I felt a bit like Karkat felt for most of this. I'm glad those fictional people have a handle on and can talk about their feelings instead of having them eat them from inside like other fictional people (alpha kids, various trolls) until they burst in a shower of drama. There are various times for firing a speech like that at your friend; when you're sitting down with a lot of beer but aren't drunk yet, or while you take a long walk through a forest, or when you're really bored. You don't greet them with that after years of separation, that's just too much. Dave even acknowledges as much, but it didn't keep him from going on and on.
(And no, I'm not trying to make a masked homophobe statement here or whatever; the John/Terezi part was the awkwardest of it all)

Still, that assisted fistbump warms my general heart area.

Vriska is perfect-
ly spherical.

[Bauglir]

Vriska is perfect-
ly spherical.

Nonsense! At that size, angular momentum tends to cause a bit of a bulge around the equator. She'd be more of an oblate spheroid.

[FuzzyZergling]

Honestly, I'm kinda taking John's side of the blackrom argument here.

[Darkmere]

I'm going to tell you to stop, and gently remind you that you're justifying Vriska. I'd advise you to reevaluate your position.

I'm going to go for broke, then.

Tavros is the most worthless troll, Nepeta is absurdly overrated, Dirk and Jake are idiots, Calliope is manipulative and pretty annoying.

Mwahahahahahah!

[Liber celi]

Vriska is perfect-
ly spherical.

Nonsense! At that size, angular momentum tends to cause a bit of a bulge around the equator. She'd be more of an oblate spheroid.

You're quite correct! She also needs an opening --or some sort of permeable membran-- to annex and devour.

I'm going to tell you to stop, and gently remind you that you're justifying Vriska. I'd advise you to reevaluate your position.

Mwahahahahahah!

You sure put those unpopular opinions on the table. Where we can see them.
The main problem with Calliope isn't that she's manipulative (she's very secondary in that regard to all those other manipulators in the comic) but that she's kinda boring and one-dimensional after the adorableness wears off. She's good in pretty lame ways. Her brother's evil in bizarre and persistent ways. I have to root for him, at least a bit.