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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46110 on: March 21, 2013, 09:23:59 pm »

Eridan could have killed the lowbloods at any point before Hivebent, simply by inaction (not slaying as many lusi for Pacifist Princess Feferi while she cuddled her cuttlefish).  He specifically knew this, but instead continued to commission over-the-top doomsday devices he didn't expect to work (cooperating with a landdweller to do so).

All the trolls were silly preteens trying to figure out their roles in life.  As seadwelling royalty, Eridan was supposed to despise landdwellers, and he *failed*.  He liked and respected his "inferiors" on the hemospectrum (Karkat and Kanaya for example).  He did his best to cooperate in Sgrub, begging the others to visit his land.  Maybe he was an idiot to aggro the angels, but I suspect not... either way, he was fighting for the team and hoping for help.  He even tried to help Jade, a human!

Does anyone ever thank him for defying his blood caste?  Not on screen.  We can only hope that Karkat did at some point, since they seemed to have an actual friendship, and Karkat is cool like that.

Now, I'm not saying Feferi was wrong to break up with him.  Obviously she had the right to, and I'm sure it was hard to be his moirrail.  The guy was an emotional train wreck!  However, she doesn't seem to appreciate all the lusus-killing he did.  As a troll empress I'm sure she was capable of killing to feed her lusus, probably a lot more capable than Eridan.  But she never had to before, we don't know if she ever did, and she seems to love animals!  I'm just saying Eridan (the supposedly genocidal) had been doing her a major favor for years, and she acts like the whole relationship was a burden on only her.

Does that justify him murdering her?  Not at all.  And he didn't.

Eridan dueled Sollux in the land of brains and pitchforks.  I don't think we know much about the circumstances of this, except that Eridan lost.  This seems like perfectly reasonable behavior for two trolls fighting over a matesprit.  Eridan presumably accepts this and continues to play Sgrub, instead of murdering Sollux in his sleep or something.

Later, after Sgrub, on the meteor, Kanaya tries to Return to the core.  Eridan approaches Fef.  Having acquired vast magical powers of Hope, he is pursuing a plan to *actually do something*.  DIPLOMACY!  With Jack, so he's kinda doomed, but his heart is in the right place.  The trolls are literally waiting to die, they have no plan and no solidarity left.  Eridan doesn't even go off by himself, he tries to talk Feferi into coming with.  He's not trying to save himself.  He's trying to reunite the troll royalty to officially negotiate a surrender, sparing the trolls a guaranteed death.  (That's not conjecture, he says as much).

He does an admirable job at ignoring the mustard blood heckler as he presents the plan.  Feferi (fortunately) vetoes the plan.  She does so with a complete lack of diplomacy, including forbidding a *sea-dweller* from using *fish puns*, but hey.  She's the Empress.

Sollux butts in again to say "ii 2hould have killed you on lobaf when ii had the chance."  Followed by ATTACKING.  He even powers up first.

Um, what the hell was Eridan supposed to do?  He's getting assaulted with deadly intent by a lowblood simply for *suggesting* a plan.  He didn't even say he would defy Feferi, Sollux didn't give him a chance.  Eridan's response is plain self defense, fully justified under human OR Alternian customs.  Frankly, proper Alternian behavior would surely have been for him to kill Sollux far earlier.

Notably, he doesn't even kill Sollux in self defense.  (Maybe halfway?  That part is weird.)  He stands there as Feferi checks Sollux, and then... attacks Eridan with a deadly weapon.  Again, Eridan responds with self defense.  He looks grim, and who wouldn't.  His ex moirrail, Empress, and unrequited love is about to stab him for knocking a lowblood unconscious.  This is possibly when he snaps.

Destroying the matriorb is impossible to defend, except that it's probably a moot point.  The Empress is dead, Kanaya's clearly about to attack him too, basically everyone is trying to murder him.  The situation is completely hopeless so he finally, for the first and last time, listens to his blood.  Whether he was justified in killing Kanaya depends on whether she was about to attack him before he destroyed the orb.

Keep in mind, I'm arguing using human morals.  I really doubt that Alternian law would judge anything he did as wrong.  The only questionable matter was Feferi's death.  On the one hand she was the Empress.  On the other hand it was self defense, and she was only one rung higher.

Karkat doesn't attack Eridan, so Eridan doesn't attack him.

Cronus is probably a fine troll but gog damn is he a terrible person.  I see him as people's unfair perception of Eridan, personified.  He even says "Nyeh"!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 09:32:53 pm by Rolan7 »
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46111 on: March 21, 2013, 09:47:57 pm »

Eridan is awesome.
Eridan is amazing.
Eridan is best troll.
Eridan is still a douchebag.
But that is probably the point.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46112 on: March 21, 2013, 09:50:19 pm »

That was impressive. You made Eridian sound reasonable. Do Vriska next!
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46113 on: March 22, 2013, 01:23:32 am »

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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46114 on: March 22, 2013, 01:37:11 am »

Eridan is awesome.
Do we read the same Homestuck?
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46115 on: March 22, 2013, 01:40:58 am »

Eridan is awesome.
Do we read the same Homestuck?
That was meant as a statement indicating that Rolan7 made a very persuasive argument, though the point he was making was against my opinion.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46116 on: March 22, 2013, 07:54:54 am »

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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46117 on: March 22, 2013, 08:39:04 am »

Eridan

Interestingly enough, Eridan seems to be an example of what Karkat was just expounding on in the last update. Dude was 'harbor'ing red feelings for Feferi, and mentions to Kanaya back in her intro that he was stuck in the friend zone. Because everyone sees him as a dick, his auspistices all end up failing at their jobs and he starts vacillating wildly, going straight into black and killing Feferi when she tells him he's sick of her.

It soon turns out, however, that Karkat is contacted by Past Eridan, looking for Karkat to help him out with relationship advice. And instead of filling the auspistice role, Karkat, enraged by Present Eridan's actions and probably far too familiar with yelling at past versions of himself via Trollian, tells him to shove off and never speak to him again. And if Karkat had realized he could use the opportunity prevent Eridan from going on the murder spree he'd just witnessed? Bam, doomed timeline.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46118 on: March 22, 2013, 09:40:31 am »

Reminder: black relationships are literally defined by neither party hating the other enough for murder.

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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46119 on: March 22, 2013, 09:59:41 am »

Eridan has always been the shittiest kismesis. He was just being shitty in the other direction this time.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46120 on: March 22, 2013, 10:08:26 am »

Eridan lost his moirail AND had no auspistice and his only friend as far as we can tell, Karkat, basically told him to shove off.

Was he an idiot? Fuck yes. But every single thing he tried ended in failure. The things he wanted weren't unreasonable. Some of his ideas weren't even that bad. And he grew up in a culture that encouraged him to basically be the worst possible being.

Eridan is pretty terrible, but one can't help but get the feeling that if things had been different, if they hadn't worked the way they did, if he'd actually had some more time to mature and support, things could have turned out differently.

Chronus?

Nope. He is literally the worst.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46121 on: March 22, 2013, 10:22:49 am »

That's the point I was trying to make before I got distracted by the fact that (to my surprise, actually) Eridan didn't actually murder anyone.

Though he was a dumb, condescending, and possibly ugly hipster who tried to be two people at once.  No wonder nobody liked him.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46122 on: March 22, 2013, 02:41:19 pm »

Anybody else notice that after a lot of resistance, Caliborn usually gives in to Hussies suggestions and goes along with it?
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46123 on: March 22, 2013, 03:16:34 pm »

Good gods that took a while.

Just finished reading from problem sleuth to the current page. Took... four, five days?

Good music. Rest was nice, too. Time to RSS this bugger and ride along slow. Cheers, folks!
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #46124 on: March 22, 2013, 04:32:05 pm »

Good gods that took a while.

Just finished reading from problem sleuth to the current page. Took... four, five days?

Good music. Rest was nice, too. Time to RSS this bugger and ride along slow. Cheers, folks!
You should go ahead and read Jailbreak and Bard Quest. Both are quite funny.
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