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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45525 on: February 28, 2013, 10:39:24 am »

We also know that when Caliborn possesses someone, they take on his likeness (see: Jack)

I'm seriously convinced at this point that LE is merely some mutant body, some mix of cherub DNA and lil'cal, that Caliborn is remotely controlling.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45526 on: February 28, 2013, 11:57:57 am »

Are there people STILL doubting Caliborn being Lord English?

I think the argument is less "Lord English could be someone else instead of Caliborn" and more "Lord English is not biologically a cherub", or perhaps "Lord English is a different instance of the Caliborn we're following".

I follow the school of thought that Caliborn made Lil Cal his horcurx. Having his soul residing in the doll would explain how he is able to possess Jack and hatch from Doc Scratch, if you're also willing to accept that Caliborn's Time Lord cherub voodoo curses are able to reach backwards across the doll's timeline. This would mean that there is no point where kid Caliborn becomes adult LE. He just sets up the Juju magic, and he can be all the Lord Englishes (Lords English?) without having to metamorphose his original body into anything.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45527 on: February 28, 2013, 12:00:45 pm »

And they're all doomed due to juju rules.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45528 on: February 28, 2013, 12:20:57 pm »

Yes, Soadreqm seems to understand what I'm trying to say.

I am not saying that anyone else is Lord English. Caliborn is definitely Lord English.

But Lord English is not Caliborn, he is just a puppet, a piece, controlled by Caliborn (and designed in such a way to be far more deadly than Caliborn's normal body is), and that it is very possible that Caliborn himself could continue to stick around, the same way that he is still around while controlling Jack - at that point, one could say they he IS, effectively, Jack English. But just like destroying Jack probably isn't going to do a thing to Caliborn, destroying Lord English won't do anything to stop the threat he poses either. Caliborn has access to all the time in the world to make another.

Lord English isn't actually an immortal demon, not in the way you might think. He can die. But even if he does, it doesn't actually matter, because he's not actually the bad guy, just a face Caliborn can slip on.
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« Reply #45529 on: February 28, 2013, 01:09:33 pm »

While I mostly just enjoy the ride and don't overthink the plot, I must agree with the LE isn't caliborn in the flesh theory.
I don't see how or why caliborn would get the cueball eyes, whereas we've already seen that they signify his mind controle powers. What I would like to know  then though is who or what was LE before he got mind controlled, if he wasn"t at one point. If there are multiple instances of LE spawning from scratch clearly he was somehow planted there, likely on purpose. By whom and for what purpose then.
I wouldn't be surprised if the explenation was another case of circular logic though, seems like a recurring plot device. Makes for some mindfuck.
But hey like I said, I try not to overthink it.  :P

at that point, one could say they he IS, effectively, Jack English
I'd say Lord Noir, has a nice ring to it.  8)
« Last Edit: February 28, 2013, 01:13:02 pm by Jelle »
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45530 on: February 28, 2013, 01:37:05 pm »

at that point, one could say they he IS, effectively, Jack English
I'd say Lord Noir, has a nice ring to it.  8)
I believe that the current fanon name is Union Jack.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45531 on: February 28, 2013, 01:49:08 pm »

(Probably already suggested) Theory: Lord English is actually adult Calliope mind-controlled by Caliborn.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45532 on: February 28, 2013, 02:08:23 pm »

(Probably already suggested) Theory: Lord English is actually adult Calliope mind-controlled by Caliborn.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45533 on: February 28, 2013, 02:21:36 pm »

English does use Caliborns weaponry in addition to Calliope's weaponry, though.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45534 on: February 28, 2013, 03:06:41 pm »

(Probably already suggested) Theory: Lord English is actually adult Calliope mind-controlled by Caliborn.

This seems all too likely to me.

English does use Caliborns weaponry in addition to Calliope's weaponry, though.

Possibly because Adult Calliope is actually a proper merge of alt-Calliope and alt-Caliborn?  Failing that, maybe Caliborn can wield his weapons through his puppets.

(Unserious theory: When Dave breaks Caliborn like a shitty sword, he then wields the corpse as "Excaliborn".)
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45535 on: February 28, 2013, 03:43:45 pm »

Lord English is actually the Mayor.

Better yet, Lord English is actually Fefeta.

Even better, Lord English is both.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45536 on: February 28, 2013, 04:55:57 pm »

Lord English is Erisol. He is the best thing to happen to this comic, he'll damn well be the most important part as well.
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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45537 on: February 28, 2013, 04:57:40 pm »

AH is Lord English, have you ever seen them both in the same place?

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Re: MSPA Homestuck
« Reply #45538 on: February 28, 2013, 04:59:08 pm »

Yes.
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« Reply #45539 on: February 28, 2013, 05:00:33 pm »

Oh...
Serves me right, not reading the latest part of the comic and just assuming that about the author insert.
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